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Is ‘Supernatural’ Jumping the Shark?

“It’s not Jumping the Shark if you never come back down.” – Chuck

Is that statement accurate, or is it just a comedic attempt to undercut anyone who argues that Supernatural has finally, officially, without a doubt Jumped the Shark with the fan convention.

As a stand alone episode, I was amused by “The Real Ghostbusters,” but as an episode of Supernatural season 5, I was sorely disappointed.  The comedy is too big, the self-referential jokes are too many and I’m not exactly sure what the show is becoming.  Is the show really just entertainment, as the LARPers suggested, or are we supposed to genuinely care for Sam and Dean, as delusional as that may sound.

Voice your opinion here.  And for my (John of BuddyTV’s) full thoughts, check out this recent op-ed I wrote in which I take a pretty strict stance against all this Becky fan stuff.

News posted on November 13, 2009 Comments (120)

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  1. I agree. The episode was great but… something’s not right.

    It seems to me like they’re showing us these really funny comedy episodes just to fill in the fact that they are lacking any bigger ideas where the show could go..

    I mean, they are talking about god and satan – how much further can you go??!!

    Anyway, next week seems awesome! Maybe some angst for a change =)? Hope so!

    Comment by :) — November 13, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

  2. A fan on another board voiced my thoughts on this season perfectly. She said the season wasn’t missing someTHING; it was missing someONE, and that someone was Kim Manners. I have thought that same thing since almost the beginning of S5. I would have thought that Robert Singer would have stepped in to cool Kripke’s heals a bit on all this bizarre stuff, but that hasn’t happened. I can’t say the episodes are horrible; they are just not to Supernatural standards. Jensen and Jared are able to make anything work (especially talented Jensen) and I still think the Season will redeem itself, but right now I’m just watching for the pretty faces, whereas before, I cared.

    Comment by Sheri — November 13, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

  3. i dont even really know what that means…this show is great, this season is great, i love this show and never love it less. sure there are episodes (bugs, the benders, family remains) that i dont watch over and over and over but i love them all and no one associated with this show from crew to writers to producers to actors or even concepts has ever disappointed me. my personal opinion is that everyone is entitled to one…but there are some viewers it seems to me that regardless of what they do, they will NEVER be happy. i for one am glad to have as many comical episodes as possible cause as far as the winchester boys futures are so uncertain by the end of this season they could be dead. and then all viewers that really love the show are gonna miss episodes like these.

    Comment by Tricky — November 13, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

  4. Please, BuddyTV needs to fire John and hire Bardicvoice!!!!
    It always feels like he is watching some other show, he doesn’t get it at all!! I hope Kripke never reads any of his articles.

    Comment by Justice — November 13, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

  5. Yeah I think this episode just pushed the limits. I mean, god, satan, apocolypse;all great concepts..if they get followed through! Theroy: theyve been storing jokes and idea for a long time and theyre trying to get them all out before the end of the series. the first 9 eps are probs fun to use all their jokes, but the rest of the season, i think, will be dark and to the plot. Back on track with the apocolypse to wrap up the series.

    Comment by lauren — November 13, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

  6. I am living in the netherlands, and i can get translate the meaning of this quote. so please can anybody explain me what it means. so than i know where we are talking about.
    thx.

    Comment by Yvonne — November 13, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

  7. Kripke is getting some (OK, a lot) of revenge on the fans. I think he’s more upset with the weirder aspect of the fandom than he lets on. He can’t come right out and say “You guys are jerks and dweebs and nuts and geeks,” so he’s saying it in the episodes. Yes, he’s getting revenge; but at the expense of his own creation, his show. I wish he would stop. This show is so much better than that; and most of the fans, in my opinion, are normal. They’re just not online. When I compare episodes like “Faith” and “Dead in the Water” and “Home” and “Devil’s Trap” to episodes like this last one, I just cry.

    Comment by bestshowfan — November 13, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

  8. Has it occurred to anyone that Kripke’s making a point here?

    He doesn’t want to do Season 6. Ackles and Padalecki don’t want to do Season 6. If you tick off the fan base in little ways each episode they won’t want to come back for Season 6. It’s all part of the master plan.

    Comment by heathens_mom — November 13, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

  9. i loved episodes 1-4 so much. They were so intense and dealt so heavily with Sam and Dean and their relationship. i knew that wouldn’t go on for too long so when Ep 5-7 happened, i was happily enjoying them. Episode 8 was brilliant but this one just fell flat for me. Yes i laughed throughout it – it was funny, but there was something wrong with it. I haven’t lost faith though, i still think they have the potential for brilliance and i think every season has had one or two episodes that probably should have been something else.

    There will always be hit and miss episodes. i just think this one was a miss, but look forward to all the hits that are yet to come :)

    Comment by Kara — November 13, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

  10. From all the talk about not living up to Supernatural standard…at least now you know why they want to stop at season 5. I have actually enjoyed every show this season. I like the light hearted ones. We (in reality) live a battle on a daily basis with Satan and God. However, everyday is not a heavy episode. Enjoy the show…trust the creator…and see the light/comedic episodes for what they are~entertainment! As for superfan…it wouldn’t be as funny if she was a “normal” fan. Believe it not..we care… but it is a show; therefore it must entertain us.

    Comment by livn4him — November 13, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

  11. My personal opinion…these past few episodes have mainly been filler. Sure, they have tied some of the stories to the apocalypse but most of it is just fluff. Why? Because American networks want money so they require their seasons to be 22 episodes. Most European networks as well as American cable stations have their seasons last 13 episodes. This gives the writers to just solely focus on the story. Don’t get me wrong I love almost every episode of Supernatural…even the fillers. And the writers of Supernatural does filler episodes in spectacular fashion with humor.

    Comment by Kellan — November 13, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

  12. To be honest I think this show served a valauble look into Sam and Dean that may have been over looked only because it was staring you right in the face. The Sam and Dean(that were larping) gave it all at the end. They made a point that all this self loathing and hating their lives that they have done lately was not wat the real Sam and Dean were about. A brother who would die for you and saving people, hunting things…the purpose to the show is the most important. And Both Sam and Dean have lacked this realization throughout this season…all the doubt, the wonder, the trying to find the reason and the loathing…all put in its place by two people who saw them simply through a different set of eyes. Say what you will about the fandom, it maybe ridiculous and Kripke may find most it foolish but he knows in the end its those ridiculous people who make this show important. I guess I just saw it from a different angle then just a bunch of haha’s and hehe’s…and looked maybe deeper then what was really given.

    Comment by Trickster04 — November 13, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

  13. I loved the episode! those kids were creepy! I think if it wasnt a fan convention people would have liked it better. I want some old school urban legends though. But i loved the ep.

    Comment by Jordy — November 13, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

  14. I’m just thankful we ever got this show in the first place and it has managed to stick around this long. I’ll take “filler” episodes over no episodes any day.

    Comment by Jared — November 13, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

  15. I personally am glad we all care so much about a story and characters we love. I think it is normal to feel lost without the angst and feel we need a break when the angst is high! Our deep involvement shows how great the show is. The statement is true – the shark is never jumped if we never come back down. Oh and yes we are supposed to genuinely care about Sam and Dean – that is why the bit at the end was snuck in. Kind of like the real life awakening after a convention…

    Comment by Jo — November 13, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

  16. I think if Eric made fun of something, he made fun of himself and the writers in the very first place. Chuck is not bold or strong…in fact, he was trying to make money to survive!
    All I’m saying is that this episode may be very important to bring back the brother’s bond. I guess it was right and very important for Sam and Dean to have seen they way they are and what’s important from another point of view.
    I like the angst but I really liked this ep, and I think it had surved well it’s purpose that was to show Sam and Dean why they belong together

    Comment by Shimmer1 — November 13, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

  17. When people mention that the writers may be using the fan characters to make fun of fans….I really don’t get where that’s coming from. Honestly. I mean, yeah, I’m as crazed a fan as the next person, but I haven’t taken any offense whatsoever from the Becky-sodes. Rather, I feel that the writers are SHARING an inside joke WITH us.

    Case in point: Chuck, the WRITER, falls in love with BECKY, the crazed fan. I think that was the real message we were supposed to take away from her in this last episode. AND she ended up helping the guys with the lead on the colt!

    And I still hold tightly to my opinion on the jumping the shark line. Yeah, the show’s gone crazy, but that’s the NATURE of the show. It’s called “Supernatural,” remember? I just feel like the writers are pulling out ALL the stops, because this could be their last chance to do everything they want to do, including giving us fans shout-outs with the Becky-sodes.

    I believe we ARE supposed to care deeply for Dean and Sam, but part of caring for characters is being able to laugh with them. I get the feeling things are going to get pretty dark, so can we all just enjoy these lighter moments while we have them? I know there are always going to be some people who aren’t happy with certain things, but I think this episode is actually garnering a lot more flack than it deserves. Personally, I thought it was a better episode than last week’s, and I did love Changing Channels.

    I also feel it’s a bit of a grave insult to refer to these episodes as “fillers.” It makes me sad to see fans disregarding certain episodes as such, because no matter what we think of them, TONS of work went into each episode, on each level of production, and I don’t think anybody involved would be comfortable with putting out an episode that didn’t accomplish something important.

    Comment by Rachel — November 13, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

  18. a lot a really deep and thoughtful points in these postings, I just gotta say there have been very few epi’s I’ve been disappointed in and other than “The Curious Case of Dean Winchester I pretty much enjoyed all from this season and yeah I agree with the person before me who said that Kripke is getting even, and as far as creepy Becki representing the fans……if I ever acted like that I would hope that someone would get ahold of a real Colt and shoot me!!!!! lol

    Comment by Christy — November 13, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

  19. Rachel, I couldn’t have said it better!!!!

    Comment by Christy — November 13, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

  20. I believe they will get to what this season truly is about, which is the apacalypse, at some point and each episode adds a little bit to the final picture. We need to be patient after all we’ve only seen 9 episodes. Episode 10 will a great mytharc epiosode and everyone forgets we get a 100th episode this season. I hope that’s a big one. No one has mentioned that. Bottom line, this is Supernatural and if your a fan as I have been from day one and have seen them all more than once then no matter what they show, I will love it and I will be there.

    Comment by JanieBee64 — November 13, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

  21. I’m just sick of it. The past few episodes have definitely had the “filler” feeling to them, and some of the writing in this one is terrible (like the lead on the Colt via Becky . . . wtf was that??? So freakin’ random). I don’t mind the occasional light-hearted episode, but this is getting ridiculous. And now, when we finally get an episode that isn’t going to be “filler,” it’s right before an insane break. So yeah, I’m getting a little tired of it. I’m going to keep watching, but if this is how the rest of the season goes, then I hope the show ends.

    Comment by Liz — November 13, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

  22. I love this show. I can never stop caring about Sam and Dean. Sure there are some episodes I may not like as much as others (and this one was one of those) but the characters are what keep me connected to this series. As long as Sam and Dean are in these episodes I will always keep watching. Some people are way too over analytical with this show. Its called “Supernatural” for gosh sake. Please just let it entertain us.

    Comment by SL — November 13, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

  23. i just wish viewers would realize one day this show isnt gonna be on tv anymore. no more sam and dean. no more monster of the week. no more brotherly angst or love. no more metallicar and witty one liners. no more any of it. its gonna be really sad when the winchesters arent there anymore. i know when this happens how much i am gonna miss this show, i cant think of anything that could ever take its place on tv. and thats no matter how the storyline is going at any given time.

    Comment by Tricky — November 13, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

  24. DONT TALK ABOUT THE SHOW NOT BEING ON!!!

    I dont think I can take it lol.
    I dont want this show to end so I could care less what’s in the episode. As long as it makes sense and the boys are in it I’ll enjoy it.

    Comment by Jordy — November 13, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

  25. I think we are getting these ‘lighter’ episodes now, (I refuse to call them fillers due to the fact that I absolutely loved them) because when they get ready to end the season it is going to be relentless. I think it is going to get dark and it would be silly to insert the lighter in tone episodes then.

    Comment by Penny — November 13, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

  26. sorry jordy i feel the exact same way. makes me so sad to think of it being over one day but i am a realist if nothing else. thats why its soooo important that everyone just take what joy and entertainment they can from it each week and not worry so much about the rest. the writing, acting, producing, directing, even the concepts behind most shows are all top notch. i say lets just focus on the fact that we still have our boys to watch each week and enjoy it to the fullest while we can, never meant to upset anyone. :-)

    Comment by Tricky — November 13, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

  27. I really wish people would stop talking about the show ending at the end of Season 5! Jared and Jensen have a SIX YEAR contract with WB. Both of them have said in their Australian interview that they would be happy to continue with the series after Season 5. (Probably because they can’t bear the thought of not working with each other or living with each other after the series ends – they are SO in love with each other, I can see them going on with the show for as long as the ridiculously long Smallville). I think that Season 6 will see a dramatic change in direction after the resolution of the Apocalypse – whatever direction it takes is fine with me as long as we get to see Sam and Dean forever and ever fighting together!!!!!!!

    Comment by stamposaurus — November 13, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

  28. Oh, let me clarify…I mean Sam and Dean forever and ever fighting evil together!!! (Not fighting each other – because that’s just too much for our hearts to take!!)

    Comment by stamposaurus — November 13, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

  29. sorry stampo…i never said it would end after season 5, just that it wont last forever. not trying to be a buzzkill just realistic and that once it is gone whenever that happens we will miss it. thats all….as i said to jordy i dont mean to cause upset just tryin to get people to look at our glass half full here, not half empty.

    Comment by Tricky — November 13, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

  30. I think people need to seriously chill lol The episode was a funny episode take it at that, it was awesome !! I know there have been a few lately but you will all bite your tongue when next weeks ep rolls around. I’m sure Kripke and the crew won’t dissapoint. People should trust these guys i mean afterall they are doing it for the fans right ! I’m pretty sure when they use a character like Becky to represent a fan they are not laughing at us, perhaps just trying to teach us to laugh at ourselves, i mean fangirls can get pretty crazy and it’s obviously just an exaggeration, look at the way the larping Sam and Dean spoke lmao. People enjoy the show, they are working crazy hard for this lol !!

    Comment by Maisie — November 13, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

  31. i feel as though the episodes are all very good and entertaining, sure they are not the same as say the first 2 seasons but all shows evolve and change overtime, no show ever stays exactly the same that would be BORING!! i think last nights episode was actually remisniscent of a season one episode, as in the guys simply are looking for a ghost and vanquish it by the end of the episode, it reminded me alot of the “hellhouse” or “ghostfacers” episodes just a slightly different concept. i think everything they are doing is highly entertaining and funny, and thats really all its about on the show isnt it? As long as i get to see my 2 favorite characters on tv each week im happy. i still get super excited every thursday and say its Supernatural today!!! and im sure all of you can say the same thing! :)

    Comment by krystal — November 13, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

  32. Rachel really is dead on with her post.

    We bitch and moan about the episodes now and fight over what should and shouldn’t be but we’ve all lost sight that one day, in the very NEAR future, that Supernatural will end.

    I know that the boys both have 6 year contracts and that Kripke has expressed interest in a 6th season(even though he is only contracted for 5) but everyone’s failed to notice that A) The CW hasn’t picked up the series for a 6th season yet and B) the show is Kripke’s baby, and that he has all the right in the world to dictate how it ends.

    I’m a film student and I know how it feels to be told that instead of doing the ending you origionally devised, you have to go and change everything for the benefit of others. Kripke has said numerous times that he only intended this show to last 5 seasons, and with the passing of Kim Manners, it’s prob taken a toll on him and everyone else involved. Why keep dragging on the show if it’s getting “worse” according to many others.

    I for one am very pleased with the direction the show is taking now, it’s literally the calm before the storm and as a devoted fan I am dreading the end as much as the next fan, but I know, that as a fellow writer/director: every good story has an even better ending.

    Let’s enjoy the show while it’s here people. Even if we jump the shark for a bit, at least we’ve got a shark to jump.

    Comment by Samantha Nazario — November 13, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

  33. 18-49 overnight ratings: 1.3.
    Show was up over last week’s 1.2.

    Comment by kim — November 13, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

  34. Yvonne, I didn’t notice that anyone answered your question, so here goes. A long time ago, a very popular comedy series, “Happy Days,” was aired in the USA. The series had been on for years and was running out of steam. When an episode aired in which one of the characters went in the ocean, faced a shark, and said he’d “jumped the shark,” many viewers were annoyed by the episode and gave up on the series. It was cancelled that season. Later, a critic started asking viewers to name an episode so bad it meant a series was headed for cancellation. He called his column and, later, his internet site, “Jump the Shark.” (I hope I got that right.)

    As for SN, I enjoyed much about the episode, especially after two more viewings. I certainly don’t think it will cause the series to jump the shark, but I agree that the silliness, fan service, and self-referential business has been overdone this season.

    It does seem odd that five out of the first nine episodes have been largely or predominently comic. But there may be a sound reason for that. Here’s a theory–though probably a wrong one.

    I think Vegas money’s on the big Sam/Lucifer and Dean/Michael prize fight at the end of the season, so the boys will likely be at odds well before then.

    However, SN can’t function unless the brothers work together. And, after last season, fans are sick of all the mistrust and suspicion between the boys. The antagonism drags down the series and turns viewers against one or both leads. So it was imperative that Sam and Dean get along. At the same time, however, the writers didn’t want to restore the brotherly bond so completely as to make their later opposition unconvincing. So how do you bring the boys together in a harmonious, working relationship without having them address and resolve the serious issues between them? You have them reach a modus vivendi, then disallow deep, meaningful conversations by putting the brothers in comic, even slapstick, situations.

    That way the superficially dismissed antagonisms can rear their ugly heads later as brother turns against brother in a fight to the death: “Dad said if I couldn’t save you, I might have to kill you, Sammy.” The time is finally nigh!

    Comment by Taz — November 13, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

  35. Yvonne,

    “Jump the shark” is a tv term used to describe when a show has hit its peak. It was coined after Fonzie from Happy Days literally jumped over sharks in a tank while water skiing. It used when a show starts to go downhill, either because they changed actors, characters died, changed the format of the show, or the plotlines just became absurd.

    Kripke used the term as a joke for the title of 4.19 because bringing in new family member is a classic jump the shark move.

    Comment by Laura — November 13, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

  36. Love supernatural! I’m really just sticking around in this world to see the end. So I’m sorry if us fans are annoyining.

    Comment by cat — November 13, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

  37. Am I the only person, who loved this episode from start to finish?? I seriously needed episodes like this, after Sam and Dean hating each other last season, I just wanted them to be kinda them again. Sure they won’t be 100% the same, but at least they are not lying or fighting as such. I know it’s gonna be starting to go dark again, so I am enjoying these light moments, giving me back, though temporarily, what I have missed for so long. And yes you can see and feel that Kim Manners is missing from this season, but I think he would have loved this episode too!

    Comment by psychokittyuk — November 13, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

  38. I’m really only s6yicking around in this world to see the end sorry if us fans are anoyying.

    Comment by cat — November 13, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

  39. Thx for the answer.

    Taz i think you are right. and i also think that nothing on sn done or said is without any reason.

    Also i find the the two boys playing sam and dean great. there were great moments in this episode. but sorry i love the drama, i love the boys fighting and embrace eachother, i love the heavy stuff and i love all those tears Jensen in crying.

    so what i am seeing from the promo, i think i am gone love ep. 10
    and no i dont think last epiosodes causes the serie to jump the shark.
    i am still an believer in Kripke.

    Comment by Yvonne — November 14, 2009 @ 12:38 am

  40. ? who the heck are any of you to be displeased or not. Kripkey, may or may not be on the balltips of his feet; but he did bring us something that no there imbecile (Not you Kripkey “did not mean to go over boundries or anything with you all respect.” or staff from TEXAS or directors.)would get down damn dirty; and use not only the mind, body, and soul to this projection of the unknown that he has in mind. What the hell, were everyone crying and arrguing when everyone thought that the strike was going to overcome SUPERNATURAL. When the floating message of there may not be another show. NO!!!! SAM, DEAN, JOHN, MARY, BOBBY, JESSICA AND OTHER NOBEL ACTOR HUNTERS AND STAFF. Everyone was worried, about that strike. Now that we are even lucky to be seeing and haveing it be televised threw out the world to those that can see it everyone is happy. Okay, SEASON 5 may not be to par for others. The point is that we have made SUPERNATURAL INC. or what ever the hell ours, and to the standerds of the producer’s along with the whole staff and that includes KIM MANNERS . . . :(( whom did a hell of direction and made us all savor his work as well as other directors that I personaly FREAKEN APPLAUDE THEM ALL. Right now to me, they are sauteing as DEAN WINCHESTER says “. . . EVIL SON OF A BITCHS” this so called Lucifer. Whom keeps crying like a girl. Now, weather or not Gabriel or the ARCHANGEL trys to get to Dean’s vavavooom or SELFISH LUCFER trys to get into Sams rear assets that loveing Pamala stated you could probably bounce a quarter off of, then so be it. There is NO!!!! IF’S!!!!in regards to SIR KIM MANNERS, I bet that he roams around the set all the time and probably does some type of mojo for the boyz like if they where is OWN SONS. He did state that this whole production is ONE HUGE ASS FAMILY THAT INCLUDE US. . . YES THE FANS ALL OF THEM. I think he is happy at how it is comeing. What the boyz can’t have any fun time to relieve a bit of stress from annel dorks from down below. Now, I a exuberating happy that CHUCKLES found this bewilderd and amazingly weired BECKLES they both make a good couple. Now, she can leave Sam. I applaude her. Did none of you idgits get the two messages on this last great presentation or was everyone asleep. I think Dean, got his upper regions to work now. Sam, on the other hand. Has reconstructed himself, and got important info. that will now make all HUNTERS know who the real SAM WINCHESTER is brother DEAN !!!! SO, INCLUDED !!!! of course BOBBY by their side. Things will change just give it time, SEASON 5 sure is not over and DEAN also said that “HUNTING IS NEVER OVER” we are the Fanatic Hunters that should be awaiting patiently for what they produce. For if there is more disaprovel of how this season is running then we should not have plead for them to return NO OFFENSE TO THOSE THAT ARE STILL FOLLOWER. I LOVED THE SHOW FROM THE GET GO. AND NO MATTER HOW IT GOES, I WILL BE BEHIND IT AND NOT JUDGE IT. FOR NO ONE SHOULD JUDGE THE ONLY JUDGE IS LOOK ABOVE I BET THAT ENTITY LOVES IT TO AND PROBABLY HAS A FAVORITE DRINK AND OR FOOD AND IS WATCHING IT WITH A BETTER SUROUND SYSTEM THEN WHAT WE HAVE. Stop compalining and wait for what will happen. Next episodes are probably going to be kick ass ones so dont quit on them or you will miss out on an episode that may bring your senses to appalude . . .

    Comment by Ivonne — November 14, 2009 @ 12:52 am

  41. Rachel, U said it girl!! I got yo back!!

    It’s just show people. Stop being so close minded and overly sensitive. learn to take a joke.

    Good lord, is like I’m reading Kevin Lee’s comments over & over again!
    Peace out GR19!

    Comment by GR19 — November 14, 2009 @ 2:19 am

  42. I just don’t know what any of y’all are talking about. I thought it was a really great episode and if you don’t remember they always do stand alone episodes we have had 2 this season we had 2 last season just means they are now ready to get into the heavy stuff. But at the end of both episodes they had a point to the main story line of the season unlike they did in previous stand alone episodes. Yes sadly they are missing Kim Manners and he will never be forgotten but i think they are coping well.

    Comment by Samantha-Dean — November 14, 2009 @ 3:01 am

  43. Hey! My name is Margaux, I’m 20 and I’m french. I’m a fan of Supernatural too and I wanted to say that I agree with this post. I watch the show right after it’s broadcasted in USA, and I really get the same feeling as you.

    It’s the war between Hell and Heaven, demons and angels. And in the middle of this apocalypse, it looks like they make “pause” for several “comic” episodes. They were great but not in the “supernatural spirit” as many of you already say. And it’s frustrating because one episode like that is ok but three, it’s a lot and it feels for me as we were waiting for the “true” supernatural episode to continue. I mean, reference to the convention, and tvshows were pretty cool and I couldn’t stop laughing, but…

    “Laughing”? Is it really Supernatural we’re talking about? We often laugh with the show but not with this comedy aspcT. I trust Kripke and the script writers but I’m just a little worried. This fifth season was supposed to be the last, and he said that they would “maybe” do another one if the audience were good. I just hope (and it seems to be) that the next episode will be in a “good old supernatural way”.

    (Hope you’ll get my point. I’m sorry for aaaall the mistakes in my english. I do my best!)

    Comment by Mrgx — November 14, 2009 @ 4:25 am

  44. I actually thought this episode was really good.
    it had a lot of comedy and I liked it.But I now think it’s time to get on with the story as there is lots to cover with Lucifer.

    Comment by Emma — November 14, 2009 @ 5:07 am

  45. Ok i might be one of the few people who say this but this episode was AWESOME…..i really laughed and i’m glad to see episodes with the monster or the ghost of the week…i missed them since season 1.The season is amazing….and as many said correctly previously the show will end…unfortunately yes…i dont even want to think about it but its true…all good things come to end.So i try to enjoy each episode and moment from this amazing show.Its not only j2 that make supernatural awesome but all the people who take part…especially the ones behind the lights and the cameras.To sum up i love supernatural i adore season 5 and i trust kripke….and i hope hes not reading all the mean comments…
    And remember the next episode it will be the last one for 2009 so stop bitching and enjoy it…..:)

    Comment by superloudean — November 14, 2009 @ 5:42 am

  46. Of course these last episodes have been kind of a filler. But you got to admit it compare the fillers from other shows like smallville or what ever. These fillers have been really funny and i really like watching them but i think they are gonna make the rest of the season pretty awesome and i am looking forward to see what they’ve come up with.

    Comment by Andrih — November 14, 2009 @ 7:34 am

  47. I loved the episode, but I agree that something’s off. I like the whole apocalypse thing and I like the original stuff with a different case every week, but this episode was neither.

    Comment by Asriel — November 14, 2009 @ 7:58 am

  48. someone said that they will finish up the apocolipse this season and have a season 6. but if you think about it…what comes after the end of the world? if they do have a season 6 the final episode will prolly be of both of the boys saying yes and next season with them at odds. but other than that i dont see how the show COULD go on. there pretty much dealing with the end of the world and it doesnt get any bigger than that my friend. as for the episode i agree with the voice of the many. it was great. funny as hell…but just a filler episode. if this is their last season i think that it should have had something to do with the main story. but i guess it did show how dean feels about being a hunter if you really watch it. when he was talking about how the fans act and them being fictional characters. it wasnt the best episode but it wasnt by far the worst.

    Comment by susanfillman — November 14, 2009 @ 8:28 am

  49. It jumped with ‘grace in a bottle’ and then reducing Angels and Demons to bickering rival corporations, and making THAT the central story rather than focusing on the Winchester family hunting evil for the greater good (w/ CLASSIC ROCK). This hasn’t been the old Supernatural in a while. They pushed and pushed and made things too crazy . . what do you expect? I’m not too emotionally invested anymore, which may be a good thing. Just let it go. Go pop in the earlier Seasons for that old warm fuzzy feeling, and watch the new episodes for simple entertainment. One thing though . . this whole Michael/Lucifer “meatsuit” arc is BORING. Please end it and focus on, I dunno, SAVING THE WORLD from THE DEVIL?? And if there is a Season 6, drop the Christian mytharc, its gotten old and there’s nowhere else to go after the apocalypse. It seems a good route would have been going into Pagan mythology . . yet the biggest ace they had has been brought into bible-class as Gabriel. Ah well. Seasons 1,2, and some of 3 and 4 were more than worth the bad aspects of the series.

    Comment by Chris — November 14, 2009 @ 9:01 am

  50. As I stated on the discussion page, and as you stated, I was also very very disappointed in this episode. It just didn’t seem like an actual supernatural episode to me, especially not after Changing Channels last week. Abandon All Hope at least looks good, next week. We’ll have to wait and see. I don’t see what’s happened to Smallville happening to Supernatural but still….last week was so very un-Kripke-like.

    Comment by Katie — November 14, 2009 @ 9:17 am

  51. I think that while its easy to assume supernatural is loosing track of themselves, they are not jumping the shark. I have faith in the writers and in Erik. They know what their doing even if we don’t. They probably have a reason for showing these episodes. just because you don’t know it don’t assume their isn’t one. I have faith and so should the rest of you. When has this show ever let us down?

    Comment by katieR — November 14, 2009 @ 9:54 am

  52. i agree with what Kara said.

    Comment by Lora — November 14, 2009 @ 10:08 am

  53. I’ve been living with the belief that the great Supernatural jumped the shark on it’s Season 4 finale, when it gave up on all the story points it had been charging toward so perfectly.

    I’d be interested in what you think of my new theory – that “Changing Channels” was the secret series finale. The Trickster seems to agree with me. You can read my full theory here: http://rogueindies.blogspot.com/

    Comment by Bern — November 14, 2009 @ 10:19 am

  54. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! You expect the people who comment and visit this page to be pleasant, yet you post questions like the one on this page that provoke loyal fans of the writers for the show to want to act like a jerk and tell you that you should have paid more attention to the Supernatural Panel from Comic Con 09. Eric Kripke said the CW was afraid the show was becoming too dark for season 5, and the CW wanted a light season instead of a dark one that an apocalypse on a show would naturally insinuate. Also, in the next episode, they are killing of two fan favorites when the boys face off against Lucy, so why not have a light episode or two before a major blow is done to the show.

    Comment by To the Website Runner — November 14, 2009 @ 11:19 am

  55. in a way i agree with katie…for the supernatural genra (seams like its its own now a days) it was too fluff and too filler-y. although it was great just not quite up to par for we fans

    Comment by susanfillman — November 14, 2009 @ 11:30 am

  56. It would be very boring for me if the whole season was about lucifer, the angels and the apocalypse. I like different stories with various villains. Although I prefer the dramatic epis, I like the funny ones, too. However, in my opinion Supernatural is the best show I’ve ever watched and it’s really entertaining, dramatic and sometimes heart-breaking. I love the relationship between the two brothers and I will enjoy every episode as long as the show goes on!

    Comment by Sandy — November 14, 2009 @ 11:42 am

  57. I’m all for everyone having their own opinions on this show, though I feel a good few of them take it way too seriously. But that’s another matter I’m not going to go any further with.
    I’ve read a few of these posts now but no one seems to have pointed out one important fact.
    This season is NOT ONLY about the apocalypse. It’s also about getting Sam and Dean back to SamandDean. I’m not sure which article or when it was published but Kripke made some mention of that.
    After that fight in the season 4 finale “Lucifer Rising” the relationship NEEDS to be built back up. As “better” as Sam and Dean are or appear to be right now they still have a lot of issues they aren’t talking about, including the lack of trust they had in the first 2 or 3 seasons.
    The point is the season NEEDS these stand-alone episodes, even the chance to “see” their life from an outside perspective. They can’t fix their relationship while constantly facing the angels or Lucifer and all that entails.
    Beyond that as intense as season 4 was, I was almost ready to give up and stop watching. I NEVER wanted to see it come to that point. At this point I’m watching the show FOR the stand-alones and because I want to see the big pay off at the end. I could care less about the apocalypse.
    And the odds of one brother killing the other is probably pretty slim. Kripke’s contract and story arc are done at five seasons, but CW wants to go another season. If Sam or Dean dies that option is taken away. Though, I personally don’t see the show going past 6 seasons because Jared and Jensen, as much as they enjoy filming, they have lives and families they miss. Besides the show was actually supposed to be filmed in California when they originally started. And the bit about Jared and Jensen being “SO in love” this is reality, not fan fiction, come back to Earth. They’re friends, they’re close, they’re surprisingly tactile in behind the scenes, that doesn’t equate to “being in love”. IF they are, it’s no ones business but theirs, leave them to it.
    As for the “fan” thing, I like it. The writers are simply doing what I’ve wanted to do and say the last 4 years running. I say bring it on. I’m a fan, but I’m realistic. Supernatural is NOT real, but so many people act like it is and get so upset at the tiniest little allusion to a change or the possible addition of a love interest to one of the boys. It’s annoying to me, another fan, one can only imagine how annoying it must be to Kripke and the writers to have their work ridiculed and disected by over-reacting fans.

    Comment by ~C~ — November 14, 2009 @ 12:44 pm

  58. I personally loved the episode. I thought it was hilarious and not offensive in any way. I just thought I’d point out that maybe the kooky fans in SPN verse are odd because they are a different fanbase because their SPN is books. I thought of it more as male versions of twilight fans. It seems to me that a lot of people are upset because they saw some truth in the fan reaction. A hit dog will holler.

    Comment by Whitney — November 14, 2009 @ 1:19 pm

  59. Sandy i couldnt agree more……..

    Comment by superloudean — November 14, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

  60. I really liked this episode because for me it was more like the old supernatural that I’ve loved to watch over the years. It isn’t that I don’t like the whole apocalypse. I just feel that people are getting way too obsessive over that. Was it a great episode, no. Was it a good episode, yes. It was funny, at times it was serious, it was creepy, and best of all it had an important message to give, which I actually felt was lost in the havoc of the apocalypse over the last couple seasons. Personally, I’d welcome more episodes like this one and the last one. Supernatural is important because of what it represents, not because of the hot guys and the cool weaponry.

    Comment by Wraithwriter — November 14, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

  61. I keep wondering, where all the demons, where is Lucifer? Shouldn’t the apocalypse started yet?
    I do love this show much, and I have no objection with the jokes and a bit of comedy inside. But recently, the writers put too much comedy, as they might confused that this is a horror show…
    Anyway, there’s more episodes in the box, so at least we could hope for the better ones to come…

    Comment by sherry — November 14, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

  62. Last weeks episode reminded me a lot of the hollywood one. I liked it, not a favourite but definitely got some laughs. As I was watching I did say to my husband “I bet SOME fans are gonna have their panties in a bunch over some of this stuff!”
    I just enjoyed it and yeah i may do some of those things but I think it is great fun to be poked at about it.
    I was actually very creeped out by this episode which is something I really missed last season. There was some gross stuff, a lot of epic stuff but not the creepy “I’m a ghost” business.
    In my opinion, a nice episode, not very mytharchy, but that is okay.

    Comment by Anneabell — November 14, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

  63. I have faith in Erik he has yet to lead us wrong. I think eps like these are meant to give us a breather from the dark hardcore angst ridden eps. I mean we just learned that the Trickster, one of our favorite fence riders, is an Angel, and a pretty important one at that. I mean it’s Gabriel, the messanger of God who foretold the births of John the Baptist and Jesus. He’s the angel that appeared to the Virgin Mary to explain the pregnancy. That’s heavy stuff. And in the next ep we’re going one on one with the Morning Star himself. For all we know Sam’s about to go Dark Side and say yes to Lucie! Have faith in the man. He and the writers have jumped the shark in a lot of cases, but all of them have been to feed the fans. Hello John’s illegitimate son that Sam and Dean never knew about? Hello a Sam and Dean that turn out to be in a realtionship. He’s feeding his fans so that we know he’s paying attention to what is said out there. Have faith in him, he’s yet to really mess up a season.

    Comment by Research Girl — November 14, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

  64. I disagree with the jumping the shark theory. the episodes do seem pretty filler and overly comedic but they always seem to have those few minuets that tell us there part of the bigger picture. Eg: the trickster as Gabriel or the colt in the books. they could not have known were it was with out it. they and bobby had assumed that it was given directly to Lilith and lost for ever.

    Comment by jessica — November 15, 2009 @ 12:37 am

  65. Rubbish, one comedy episode would give us a breather. Five, including the terrible ep six, is far too much. There is no excuse for it.

    “I have faith in Erik he has yet to lead us wrong.”

    Erm, the last five episodes???

    “Have faith in him, he’s yet to really mess up a season.”

    Erm, this season?!!

    It’s quite clear nothing is going to happen. Sam won’t turn darkside, or become Lucifer’s vessel, Dean won’t become Michael’s vessel. They’ll just stay as they are now, and kill Lucifer in the last episode after having another load of terrible fillers. I hope I’m wrong, that’s all I can say really.

    The term jump the shark is applied to a show when when it suffers a downturn in quality. It’s safe to say that Supernatural has jumped the shark.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — November 15, 2009 @ 12:43 am

  66. I completely disagree! The last few episodes have diverged from “Supernatural’s” usual dramatic way of doing things but they have each throw a very important twist into the plot that could not be delivered any other way. Point and case: the trickster episode if that was done any other way it would be out of character for the trickster yet the knowledge the he was Gabriel was vital information into the larger plot line.The episodes have a point and I think Kirpike is pulling this off in his usual torturous manner.Face it this is just his way of messing with us like he always dose. He seems to love to make us hate him, we all as fans have a love hate relation ship for him.

    Comment by jessica — November 15, 2009 @ 1:09 am

  67. I agree that it would be boring if every episode was an apocalypse episode. I like the funny episodes, but I am also ready for them to show more of the mythology episodes. Some of the writing I like, and some I don’t. However, I love this show and will watch it until the end. One question I really want answered is where God is in all this. I don’t really like the whole vessel thing, but if they use it to bring John (in Jeffrey Dean Morgan form) back as God’s vessel (assuming he/she needs one), then I’m all for it. Personally, I’ll be more disappointed if Sam and Dean say yes to Lucifer and Michael than if they say no and kill Lucifer.

    What I really don’t get is why the other fallen angels who disobeyed (Anna and Castiel) are becoming more human, while Lucifer got sent to hell for it and is also still very powerful.

    Comment by Carla — November 15, 2009 @ 1:26 am

  68. if you are the fans of supernatural…
    then you and me have to wait and enjoys the show..
    for me…the show awesome and fuckin rock..
    next week episode..the winchester vs the devil!!!!
    its will back to the serious track!!!!

    Comment by iz177 — November 15, 2009 @ 1:55 am

  69. I think that the episode was good not great !!! but good , it really gave me the taste of the old episodes in season 1,2 & 3. I missed this kind of episode when the boys have a case. it’s not that bad to make this fuzz all about it !!! and even if it is for some people if you love the show you should accept it’s ups and downs , no TV show is perfect !!!

    Comment by Monati — November 15, 2009 @ 4:19 am

  70. Really, I can’t understand what people are pissing and moaning about. There is good a bad in everything. I personally enjoyed this ep. I’ve watched this programme from the beginning and will continue to do so it the very end.

    If you’re not enjoying the programme why are you watching? Is it just to give you something in your lives to complain about? It’s like those people who complain about the violence and swearing that happens on some tv shows but instead of turning over an watching something else they tune in each week just so they have something to moan about again.

    I don’t know why people just don’t stop watching if they dislike it that much. Just think the CW could cancel it with no forewarning or at short notice, remember Farscape, Firefly? Look what the tv stations they were on did to those and they kicked ass, but elsewhere others are kept on well past their sell by date (Friends, Stargate – really should have gone after RDA left..).

    Lets just enjoy it while we can people and thank god the execs haven’t really gone on and paid attention to the sites where so called fans are complaining.

    Live long a prosper Supernatural.

    Comment by 1054mel — November 15, 2009 @ 9:15 am

  71. Really, I can’t understand what people are pissing and moaning about. There is good a bad in everything. I personally enjoyed this ep. I’ve watched this programme from the beginning and will continue to do so it the very end.

    If you’re not enjoying the programme why are you watching? Is it just to give you something in your lives to complain about? It’s like those people who complain about the violence and swearing that happens on some tv shows but instead of turning over an watching something else they tune in each week just so they have something to moan about again.

    I don’t know why people just don’t stop watching if they dislike it that much. Just think the CW could cancel it with no forewarning or at short notice, remember Farscape, Firefly? Look what the tv stations they were on did to those and they kicked ass, but elsewhere others are kept on well past their sell by date (Friends, Stargate – really should have gone after RDA left..).

    Lets just enjoy it while we can people and thank god the execs haven’t really gone on and paid attention to the sites where so called fans are complaining.

    Live long and prosper Supernatural.

    Comment by 1054mel — November 15, 2009 @ 9:16 am

  72. I thought this episode was needed because it reminded Dean of why he and Sam were doing what they were doing. Dean told Sam that John wanted them to pick up where he’d left off – saving people and hunting things back in season 1 and I do feel that they needed to be reminded of why they stuck to being hunters and why they shouldn’t loose hope.

    Comment by Rebecca — November 15, 2009 @ 10:29 am

  73. Oh, btw, Supernatural.tv jumped the shark with its over moderation as well. If I wanted TWOP I’d go there. Anyone know of a SN site without anal retentive nannies at the head?

    Comment by C — November 15, 2009 @ 10:55 am

  74. Season 4 had maybe 3 comedic episodes and that was too little. It was so intense that I’m sure it had something to do with the lower viewer rating for the season 5 opener. How many fans didn’t come back to even watch season 5?
    Again, I was close enough to giving up on the show half way through season 4 becasue it was non-stop tension and darkness. A lot of fans were upset.
    The point is, we need the comedic episodes to off-set the darkness AND to give the brothers a chance to rebuild their relationship.
    But really, no matter what the writers do, SOMEONE is going to complain because they think they know better than the WRITERS and CREATOR of the show.
    Everything they’ve done up to this point has made sense (even if I didn’t particularily like some of it). Even the book series. This is the apocalypse, OF COURSE there will be a prophet writing the story. And it this day and age OF COURSE it would come out as a series of books.
    And as far as them getting a lead on the colt from Becky, it made sense becuase a book will always give a person a variety of perspectives (Chuck is no JK Rowling and SPN is no Hary Potter written in the main character’s POV). Sam and Dean have only their view on things because they aren’t reading the books, and so, have no clue what other little bits of info Chuck (A PROPHET) has that he’s forgetting to tell them.
    And do you realize how many book series have their own fan conventions? I can name several just off the top of my head.
    Just sit back and enjoy the show. If you don’t like it, stop watching.
    Don’t waste your time and energy ripping it apart. If the show really had “jumped the shark” and was going down hill, the ratings would be dropping like a stone and CW wouldn’t be interested in doing another season.
    The problem with the last episode is that some of the fans finally got a mirror of themselves and they don’t like it.
    Let Kripke and the writers do their jobs and focus on your own lives. You’ll be much happier.

    Comment by ~C~ (Not to be confused with C) — November 15, 2009 @ 11:26 am

  75. you have to understand its probably the last season you cant top the apocalypse and they are just trying to connect with the fans because after this its over. they have had some good episodes this year nothing has been to terrible except the poker one really sucked and at the end of every episode they try to connect the dots to the story line just have faith maybe they were budgeting so that the last episodes could be really really good so they had to run a couple episodes on a low budget idk i just believe its gonna be worth it

    Comment by kyle — November 15, 2009 @ 11:56 am

  76. you know what i absolutely LOVED about this episode????
    the german hookman!!!! the critical jackass that, though with a few occasionally sensible points, ends up getting killed and the audience loves!
    hey, dont you agree, KEVIN LEE????
    like i said many times before: this is the end of SUPERNATURAL! they are getting out their final ideas and making a thematic contrast between the comedy of these episodes and now the despair of “Abandon All Hope.”
    look at the big picture.

    Comment by milez — November 15, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

  77. If “The Real Ghostbusters” was Jumping the Shark, the SN can jump all they want! It was a wonderful episode. But I agree that having so much hilarity all in a row has made fans REALLY want a myth-centric episode, stat.

    Comment by KaeDee — November 15, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

  78. I did not like this episode at all. The main reason is that the character, Becky, is ridiculous and the actress that plays it overacts so much that it makes it even worse. When she is around I just do not find anything funny, so in addition to this being another filler episode, for me it did not even had the saving grace of it being funny.

    I love this series, and I would have loved for it to go to a sixth season, but it is sadly obvious that the writers have run out of ideas and it is better to end it now than to destroy the careers of those involved in an additional season.

    Sorry, but I think that Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki have the potential to be major stars and I would not like their careers to be cut short because of bad writing and lack of ideas.

    The actors are usually ridiculed and sidelined when a project fails; in order for them to give a good performance there have to be good scripts and I do not see that happening anymore.

    Comment by Minerva — November 15, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

  79. I can agree, I would like a little myth with my comedy, but as I said before they do all have a greater purpose in the grander scheme of things and that’s how we know Kripke hasn’t totally lost his mind yet. I really love the fact that they’re beginning the hiatus with one.

    Comment by jessica — November 15, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

  80. By the way, I loved the piece Admin. I believe they have jumped the shark, but I think it could be turned around.

    The more people that come to the realization that Supernatural is not Supernatural at the moment, the sooner we will have Supernatural back.

    Keep up the great work.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — November 15, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

  81. Agreed, Kevin Lee – Supernatural is not Supernatural at the moment. If the same basic storyline had been used in season 1, with the creepy orphans and such, it would have been an awesome episode. Too many self-referential jokes, not enough everything else.

    Comment by Angela — November 16, 2009 @ 7:11 am

  82. Angela, it was fun and funny like that. The brothers got
    Along and it didn’t make you cry every episode.

    Comment by jim bob — November 16, 2009 @ 7:42 am

  83. Gotta agree with the article to a certain extent. I believe the show is going too far with the self referential stuff. There are some people who would love the show no matter what as long as J&J are still in it and fair enough – each to their own. Personally I miss the days of a grittier, dramatic story, two brothers hunting monsters, the more sutble humour, the drama, the scares (remember those?).

    I get the feeling the writers are beginning to believe their own hype and by pandering to a vocal minority of the fan base think they are being more clever then they actually are. I also agree with the article in regards the Becky and the Colt scene. That was some of the laziest writing I’ve seen in ages. It really is sucking all the drama and tension out of what should be Supernatural’s most epic season.

    I never thought I’d say this but Supernatural in it’s current form shouldn’t go for a sixth season. It’s become too bloated and self aware. I’m not looking forward to more “clever” episodes about Becky and her army of super fans, or a light / comedy episode just when things get interesting. The earlier seasons had it right. One or two light hearted episodes in a season was a refreshing break. This is too much. I would however welcome Supernatural back with open arms if they adopted a back to basics approach but I can’t see that happening. As Chuck himself said, they aren’t coming down.

    Comment by Booser — November 16, 2009 @ 10:30 am

  84. Wow, guys. This is all a bit too much. I’m not going to say it’s just a TV show, because it’s a huge part of my life and that would be depressing, but seriously, just because things aren’t going the way you personally want them to go doesn’t mean it’s all gone to hell and needs to shape up or ship out.

    I know it can be difficult to love and appreciate something so much and watch it do new things that you’re not used to, but I think in certain cases, a little trust is needed. Maybe, I dunno, remember why you’re here? This isn’t politics, it’s not our job to act as watchdogs and call them out. They really don’t care, and this late in the game, even if they did, nothing would change.

    At the risk of sounding anachronistic, can we all get a little love and acceptance going on in here?

    Because, to me, Supernatural fans getting so upset as to wish the show would go back to the way they want, or go away altogether…THAT’S jumping the shark.

    Comment by Rachel — November 16, 2009 @ 12:40 pm

  85. People are still entitled to their opinion. If the majority feel that a show has gone off they wont watch it anymore. Simple as. The writers can indulge themselves as much as they like but they wont have a show left to write for. Im not saying thats what I want, cos its not, just saying that fans opinions DO count. No use in burying your head in the sand in that regard.

    Comment by Booser — November 16, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

  86. Rachel you are totally and 100% correct…..i couldnt agree more with ya….

    Comment by superloudean — November 16, 2009 @ 1:36 pm

  87. It seems there are two sets of fans. One set that wants to chill out and indulge in senseless entertainment rather than a story, and one set that does want to see a story.

    No doubt you all know where I stand.

    Those who really aren’t that bothered about seeing an intelligible story, are the same people who would like Supernatural to carry on for as long as possible.

    And, they are the same people that show blind devotion (as long as there is enough brain dead entertainment in the mix) regardless of how absurd plot lines are becoming, and who resort to cursing and hating tactics when they don’t agree with someone else’s opinion. They also never produce a sound opinion of their own, other than along the lines of “Supernatural rocks” or in the case of Supernatural season 4–”Supernatural is sucking this season”.

    Up until Season 4 there wasn’t a problem, because Supernatural balanced and blended the comedy and the myth arc well. But as soon as the show hits its best form and concentrated mainly on story, the lovers of brain dead entertainment came worming out of the woodwork to complain about the show doing what it set out to do–tell a story.

    Now I see Kripke’s dilemma for the first time, and the reason for the comedy this season, though there is absolutely no excuse for the lazy story-telling i.e. Sam’s powers, Gabriel, the Colt, etc etc.

    These people are ruining Supernatural, because unfortunately this season Kripke has been overly pandering to them because of season 4 (and probably has to, to stay on air) because they make up a sizable chunk of the viewing numbers.

    All the rest of us can do is hope that Kripke balances it out more in the second half of the season, and if it doesn’t, just witness the ship sink.

    It could even be argued that most of this season has consisted of taking the piss out of those who can influence Supernatural enough to take it off course and away from the story. Kripke takes it off course due to popular demand, but while he does so he gets as many insults in there as he possibly can.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — November 16, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

  88. I agree with Kevin lee.

    who’s with me?

    Comment by Jo — November 16, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

  89. Hey, I agree with Kevin Lee for the most part. and, CLEARLY Kripke is very resentful of this attitude in the fans. I mean, just the way he portrays them (well, yeah, us) in The Real Ghostfacers. and he’s like, dead on, too! SO MANY FREAKS ACT JUST LIKE THAT. gawsh, it’s a story, no need to obsess. and to everybody who got so offended by superfan becky’s wincest… holy hell, yeah it’s gross, but SO MANY FREAKS WRITE THAT CRAP. and don’t pretend it wasn’t entertaining. hehe, dean’s face, man. I think it’s awesome that the writers can adress these real problems on the show.

    Comment by Jacqueline Nicole — November 16, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

  90. i kind of agree with kevin lee.up til season four everything was always well organized and put together…season four kind of jumped the shark for me when they introduced the whole angel plotline.and season five is the worst.but i still love the show no matter what-i even watched when *shivers* paris hilton was on it.ive said before..the show is kind of selling out but its still the best show on tv right now

    Comment by boogirl — November 17, 2009 @ 5:27 am

  91. Eric Kripke, I’ll always support this show for better or worse. I love all the episodes and I think that once the season (and the world) is over, we’ll look back at episodes 6 and 7 in a different but more positive perspective. I for one believe that we’ll all be amazed once the season is over. All you nay-sayers will think twice about all the negative comments some of you guys posted later in the second half of the season. I think we’re in for some heavy drama in the second half of the season and it’s gonna be totally awesome. So far this season the good has outweigh the bad by a mile, I’ll approach the second half of the season with a more open mind and I’ll take the good with the bad any day for Supernatural. Eric Kripke won’t let us down, I’m sure of it.

    Comment by Redzuan — November 17, 2009 @ 8:38 am

  92. Well Kevin Lee… you are wrong… I enjoy these episodes, however I also enjoy the story. I for one, would like the show to end at the end of this season. I don’t want it to drag on indefinitely. I also do not show blind devotion. I DO have patience, enjoy a good laugh and know there is good stuff coming.

    Comment by Anneabell — November 17, 2009 @ 11:13 am

  93. This has beenthe best series since S2 I do agree KM is a big loss and when it comes to the big episodes his absence is noticeable

    Comment by Jordan — November 17, 2009 @ 11:14 am

  94. Wow…93 comments. I say the writers and Kripke did what they have set out to do…Get fans to TALK. OK so not all of the comments are great but did you or didn’t you take time out of your day to write a post about either how much you loved something or how much you didn’t? The mere fact that were are commenting goes to show that Supernatural is something to be talked about…and people are still watching and commenting to see what happens next.

    Besides I will take 40 minutes of Jared and Jensen ANYTIME!! :)

    The convention episode aired right before they came to Chicago. Sadly I wasn’t able to go but I thought it was funny timing.

    Let’s give it some more time to see what happens. Perhaps the missing “doom and gloom” is right around the corner…

    Btw, where in the world is Sera Gamble?? She’s the one that likes to torture the boys the most…And she usually writes the best episodes. Has she fallen off the Supernatural wagon?

    Comment by anjill — November 17, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

  95. well kevin lee i hope you enjoy this next episode and maybe the second half of the season will pander more to what you want to see, its sad when a hardcore fan stops watching.

    i for one will keep watching no matter what because i love watching jared and jensen acting together.and because i LOVE sam and dean♥ And you are totally right that is blind devotion, no doubt about it, but in my defence its a natural human drive to do things that give you pleasure..its hardwired into our brains (you have reward centers in your brain) so yeah if i get pleasure from watching, even if the plot has hit a temporary bump in the road its normal for me to keep wanting to watch! and so i will.

    i do agree with you on the subject of sam’s powers. ruby said he had it in him the whole time so im assuming he is still capable of it and in that case he should totally be utilizing that as a weapon.

    other than that i loved most of the episodes this season DISCOUNTING the last one. it was very poor placement immediately following another comedic episode. what the hell was up with that? but the first three were great, i enjoyed seeing sam and dean’s relationship be ripped apart and then reunited. i think there are still issues between them that should be addressed early next year.

    AND YEAH WHERE IS SERA GAMBLE? she has written alot of my favorite episodes.

    my apologies for typing the gettysburg address. haha.

    Comment by Lora — November 18, 2009 @ 10:00 am

  96. Well, it seems pretty obvious to me that Supernatural is on its last legs. As someone else said, where do you go after you do a showdown between Heaven and Hell? Back to ordinary monster-of-the-week? Most media writers want things to get bigger and bigger. They typically don’t want to shrink the scope down.

    That said, last season’s version of the angels was excellent. Very Old Testament, which I thought was a good thing. This season’s, not so much. In fact, they’re kind of pathetic now. Yeah, they had BigDaddy issues from their first appearance, but now they’re literally whiny. I knew things were going downhill when we got the Gabriel-runs-away-from-home episode. This is the Archangel Gabriel? One of the Big Four? And he’s a whiny coward?

    Honestly, that was more annoying than the murder-at-the-convention episode. I can’t get too excited about an episode where the show’s writers ridicule the more extreme fans, since so many other scifi/fantasy shows do it regularly (X-Files, Stargate, etc etc have all done it more than once).

    Now, I do like the portrayal of Lucifer. Sam and Dean are still good, too (I thought all the distrust and all was perfectly appropriate, all things considered). But the rest? Meh.

    Comment by Tiff — November 19, 2009 @ 9:38 am

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