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Season 6 Premiere Video Clip

The return is almost here. Friday at 9pm we’ll get season 6, but for now, enjoy this very, VERY spoiler-heavy clip from the episode, “Exile on Main Street.”

I repeat: DON’T WATCH IF YOU WANT TO AVOID SPOILERS. But there’s a very pleasant and big surprise for anyone who watches.

News posted on September 20, 2010 Comments (130)

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  1. I think its a dream sequence

    Comment by Nick — September 20, 2010 @ 11:16 am

  2. hopefully a dream…not really wanting yellow eyes to be back. It’ll be great either way, but i’d rather him not be real.

    Comment by Shannyn — September 20, 2010 @ 11:26 am

  3. Its gotta be a nightmare, theres no explaination that makes sense.

    Comment by Jennie — September 20, 2010 @ 11:34 am

  4. I too hope it’s a nightmare because the explanation they give as to how Yellow Eyes is back doesn’t make a lick of sense.

    If it’s real, they are taking away a major moment for the brothers when they killed this guy and got revenge for their entire family. That’s shitty.

    Also he said God brought him back to add some sugar and spice into his life?? Uhhhh yeah ok. Lame.

    Better be a dream sequence…

    Comment by Jeff — September 20, 2010 @ 11:53 am

  5. Hmm I’m actually not quite sure what I think about this. Thought some of the trailers looked interesting, but now I’m honestly worried that this is just a bad case of fanservice. Don’t get me wrong I think YED was a really memorable villain but like Jeff says it would be kind of a shame if they bring him back without a really good explanation.

    Also I don’t really like some of the camera work in this scene. All the close-ups with the shaky cam looks kinda cheap for some reason.

    Comment by Essal — September 20, 2010 @ 1:24 pm

  6. I gotta agree with everyone hoping this is a dream sequence. I loved Azazel as a villain, and it’s great to see Fred Lehne back, but his story is done and he should stay dead.

    Comment by blackwolf — September 20, 2010 @ 2:15 pm

  7. It makes some sense to me, YED is the only demon Dean had killed for real, and if Sam is back, and left Lucifer all alone in hell and this one as well as heaven are a whole mess, maybe Lucifer has some freedom to do something like bring back to life a demon that was BIG pain in the ass for the boys, and that will look for revanche specially towards Dean, it sounds complicated but it’s a possibility.

    BTW I found kind of sexy that little drop of saliva on Dean’s chin.

    Comment by Jazz — September 20, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

  8. I believe it is a dream that Dean is having and he will wake up in bed with Lisa. That’s the only way they can’t take the one big victory Dean had over the course of 5 years away. Probably the opening scene after the montage of life with Lisa/Ben that Sera mentioned.

    The thing that I did not like is that YED’s narrative without question puts Lisa/Ben as the most important thing(s) in Dean’s life and squarely a part of Dean’s season-long character [I repeat...season-long character"]

    YED: “great little life you have here…pretty lady…great kid”.

    I really hate this storyline and nothing is going to make me feel better about it.

    I do really like Fred Lehne (sp?) as YED. He was a great bad guy. Let’s just hope the victory isn’t taken away.

    Comment by Sheri — September 20, 2010 @ 2:35 pm

  9. Maybe it is real, when Sam release lucifer maybe he brought yellow eyes back and it’s sam fault which is why sam and dean wont get along this season

    hoping its a dream sequence though

    Comment by Alex — September 20, 2010 @ 2:44 pm

  10. Dean is dreaming, so he’s relating YED to his current circumstances. YED would likely never even bother Dean now. 1) He’s out of the hunting game, and 2) YED was always interested in manipulating Sam, not Dean. Sam was the end game. Of course, he could just come back for revenge, but I think that would be a little disappointing.

    I think he’s only in for one episode anyway, which means that this small scene may very probably be his only one.

    As far as the actual clip, I really like the close ups. It’s different for Supernatural. I’m not a fan of the shaky camera, and I think YED’s entrance is a little understated, as is the acting immediately following it, but it quickly picks up, and all in all, I think it’s a fantastic scene. YED certainly came across as the most menacing he’s been yet.

    Kudos to the Supernatural team.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — September 20, 2010 @ 2:52 pm

  11. Just a note to say, that it’s this kind of delving into the characters minds, that I really want to see in season 6.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — September 20, 2010 @ 2:54 pm

  12. Dreams such as these are normally experienced at night time, so the fact that it’s daylight, and the fact that monsters and such are coming out in the day, could point to it not being a dream. But I VERY much doubt it. It’s very likely foreshadowing for the fact that the monsters are about to hit, and to hit in daylight. Again, impressive, if that’s the case.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — September 20, 2010 @ 3:14 pm

  13. I have a theory about the whole yellow eyes coming back this season. That since Sam has this whole demon blood in him going on and had Lucifer in his body and he went hell. And caused him to become yellow eyes.

    Comment by Nick — September 20, 2010 @ 3:55 pm

  14. That is a good idea, Nick. I’ve pointed out previously that I’d like Azazel to be a part of Sam’s psyche or something along the lines of that. It could be argued that Azazel IS a part of Sam, and always will be, as Sam is carrying his blood. Maybe through that blood the YED could manifest himself through Sam. It’s possible, and certainly a vastly superior idea to the “God brought me back” plot-lines. Which are quite frankly, writing at its worst and complete cop outs.

    Anyone remember the episode in season 4 where at the end, Dean looks at Sam and sees the yellow eyes? How powerful was that? In my opinion, Sam as YED invokes more emotion than Sam being Lucifer’s vessel, partly due to the fact that we didn’t see barely enough of Lucifer, and he never was as rich to the mythology as YED, or as intimidating either.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — September 20, 2010 @ 4:53 pm

  15. “Anyone remember the episode in season 4 where at the end, Dean looks at Sam and sees the yellow eyes?”

    That would be “Yellow Fever.”

    I’ve always wondered if that scene ever meant anything, or if it was just a symbol of the fact that Sam has Azazel’s blood pumping through his veins. Would be interesting to see them play off that and have YED as a projection from Sam’s mind.

    Comment by Jared — September 20, 2010 @ 5:29 pm

  16. Thatd be really freakin amazingly awesome if it weren’t a dream =D -Jen

    Comment by Jen — September 20, 2010 @ 5:59 pm

  17. Have to say I liked that. Fred Lehne is one of my favorite bad guys. There was always something charminghly evil about the way he played his character–and in this clip, after three years, he fell right back into the character as perfectly as if it had been made in season 2. I thought he always had a rather creepy fatherly attitude toward Sam, which is the stuff of good horror, and almost contempt for Dean. I think he would want revenge on Dean whom he underestimated badly.

    Comment by CaseyT — September 20, 2010 @ 6:31 pm

  18. @Kevin Lee
    There was also the hallucination that Sam experienced in season four’s, “When the Levee Breaks” where he confronts his younger self. Young Sam talks about how he wanted to be normal, but then said something on the lines of being who he suppose to be. Then, his eyes turn yellow.

    Comment by Chris — September 20, 2010 @ 8:33 pm

  19. This is so obviously a dream or an omen. Just listen to the music towards the end of the clip, and you can tell it’s building to the moment when Dean will wake up. Hopefully we’ll see YED in a few more dreams.

    Comment by JJA — September 20, 2010 @ 8:52 pm

  20. Maybe this is another yellow eyed demon, impersonating the real one somehow? There are so many possibilities, hopefully there will be a great explanation.
    I always thought it was Deans imagination, or remembering the hallucination of Sam when he had the ghost sickness. When Sam asked him what he experienced with the ghost sickness- Dean just imagined Sam’s eyes turning yellow.

    Comment by Ginger — September 20, 2010 @ 8:56 pm

  21. Maybe, when Lucifer was on earth, he brought back YED from hell. I mean, even Castiel could save Dean from hell, so why couldn’t Lucifer do it too? He was also an angel and more powerful.

    Comment by Alexx — September 20, 2010 @ 10:58 pm

  22. All I can say is…Is it Friday yet?!!! Wahoo!

    Comment by anjill — September 20, 2010 @ 11:05 pm

  23. It’s got standard nightmare filming and music.

    Comment by kim — September 21, 2010 @ 12:23 am

  24. Azazel was my favorite villain of the show, but this scene sucks. I blame it on the camera work, cinematography, and directional approaches. The family scene of Dean’s new life may be why everything looks so bright and cheery but I miss the dark filters of season one. The fast paced dialogue is not the way I remember Azazel. He like to take things slower and enjoy the pain he caused in the people. The aesthetics of the lack of dark filters and his quick dialogue doesn’t scream I’m pissed off and seeking revenge. The point of view shots aren’t bad, but the shaky handicam isn’t what we want. Hasn’t the webs endless satire of Cloverfield proven that?

    Comment by Charlie Hume — September 21, 2010 @ 6:04 am

  25. To sum up S6’s storylines, then:

    Dean gets character growth through the Lisa/Ben family storyline and the question, ‘Can he hunt and have his happy little family?’

    Sam gets character growth through his mystery storyline, ‘Is Sam really 100% Sam?’ (i.e., how he got out, why he got out, how he has changed.’

    And this all revolves around the myth arc, which I think is the origin of monsters and why they are acting differently. Is that right?

    If so, the monsters theme is the only thing that sounds a bit interesting and I am worried that that, too, depending on the writing and how cohesive the season is, could end up being (a CaseyT word)…trite.

    I really was hoping for a strong season, but the synopsis for the first four episodes sounds pretty weak.

    Comment by Sheri — September 21, 2010 @ 6:55 am

  26. “Azazel was my favorite villain of the show, but this scene sucks. I blame it on the camera work, cinematography, and directional approaches.”

    I agree that the first half of Azazel’s appearance in the clip is somewhat deficient and lacking, but I think it, and he, really picks up when he comments about “sniffing that trail”.

    “The family scene of Dean’s new life may be why everything looks so bright and cheery but I miss the dark filters of season one. The fast paced dialogue is not the way I remember Azazel. He like to take things slower and enjoy the pain he caused in the people. The aesthetics of the lack of dark filters and his quick dialogue doesn’t scream I’m pissed off and seeking revenge. The point of view shots aren’t bad, but the shaky handicam isn’t what we want. Hasn’t the webs endless satire of Cloverfield proven that?

    I agree with all of this. I also absolutely detest shaky camera approaches. As a whole I really love the scene, because it’s representative of delving into Dean’s mind, but I can certainly see where you’re coming from in your dislike of it. The scene also comes across as very sterile, like much of season 5, and that worries me for the aesthetic design of the season. This might be because the wages of the cast may have gone up, which if true, pisses me off, and lessens my respect for Jared and Jensen.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — September 21, 2010 @ 8:03 am

  27. I think it’s a dream…how could that possibly really be the YED? When Dean shot the YED with the colt than the YED should have been dead right? He shouldn’t have been sent to hell or anything, he’s just dead.

    Comment by Jeremy — September 21, 2010 @ 8:31 am

  28. well Jeremy that’s what the YED said that he was brought back, just like Castiel was too, he never said that he was “alive” in hell we assume then he was dead just like Castiel, when Lucifer blew him up, I know is complicated and it’s almost for sure that this is a dream, but if it is not, the big mistake would be the body he’s riding, wich made us conclude that of course, must be a dream.

    Comment by Jazz — September 21, 2010 @ 9:32 am

  29. I’m gonna Spoil!!! Look away now if you don’t wanna know!!!
    *********************

    I also saw a spoiler with Samuel Winchester (granpa) in it. Either all the dead are back or they’ve gone some serious ‘splaining to do!! I have heard that one of the themes for this season is that the monsters are doing things that are uncharacteristic for them…perhaps the whole world a bit off??

    I’ll take it!! Bring on Season 6!!! This has been the longest hellatus in the history of SPN!!! Gah!!!

    Comment by Dean4me — September 21, 2010 @ 10:43 am

  30. Is it Sam’s turn to kill YED ?

    Comment by (; — September 21, 2010 @ 11:01 am

  31. The yellow eyed demon is back and hopefully Dean or Sam kills him again.

    Comment by laury — September 21, 2010 @ 11:33 am

  32. I was a bit brash to just say this scene sucks. I love Supernatural and will ride this boat till it sinks, but I can’t help but see little differences that could make it better which is what frustrates me the most. The aesthetics are what Kevin Lee put into a great phrase, “sterile.” I don’t know if its an increase of funds, different directors, or what but it seemed too much like a scene from a typical CW show. To me Supernatural was always beyond that, granted its a scene but they keep talking about going to back to the roots, then lets see it. A story is affected just as much visually as anything else. One of the strongest elements of visual storytelling is that we can set the tone, and not leave it up to the imagination. It appears that if the episode is just like this scene, they’ve ignored it. What’s a demon in general using his fist for. Nothing gives me the chills than seeing Azazel in season one shoving Dean against the wall and using telepathy to pierce holes into his chest and make him cough blood. I am fine with Azazel being back, but this has dream written all over it. I hope part of my complaints are attempts to convey that. It is hard to appropriately criticize this scene in the context of the minute forty-eight clip, as opposed to the enveloping episode that its intended to be placed in. The production value has definitely upped since the first season, but I’d rather have it go back to songs than a cleaner look. I like the grungy look of the first couple seasons.

    Comment by Charlie Hume — September 21, 2010 @ 12:36 pm

  33. I’ve heard something about Sam and Castiel’s resurrection gone wrong… maybe something to do with that?

    Comment by Rachael — September 21, 2010 @ 12:45 pm

  34. @Rachael: that would be neat! Like when they came back, something bad came back with them accidentally?

    Comment by Katie — September 21, 2010 @ 1:06 pm

  35. To be honest i can’t believe the audacity of Azazel! Here he is hunting down two brothers that litterally BEAT his boss! And he thinks its wise to mess with the Winchesters?….i mean when you think about it here’s two guys with angels on thier side…whats he trying to accomplish? If he kills them they’ll just be brought back…and judging by the look on Sam’s face in almost every picture so far…he looks like a bad ass who ain’t takin cr@p anymore! More fool him i say…..
    And note to self……..it’s just a tv show…its not real………..

    Comment by ozsix(sic)six — September 21, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

  36. Once again I’m feeling used and abused, I went to the imdb site and looked up Supernatural and was enraged at the Campbell family reunion. It’s not quite a car full of clowns at the circus but it’s close.

    Forgive me but wasn’t Mary’s family, friends and everyone who knew her including her doctor …dead. It really chaps my hide when the show doesn’t follow it’s own mythology. Oops, that doesn’t fit in the story but the fans are too stupid to notice. Hey, I know.. we’ll throw a shiney object at them, let’s say Sam takes off his shirt.

    I’m not bitter…MUCH! It’s really a good thing that Dean drives a pick-up because all these people will not fit in the backseat of the Impala.

    Please Sera and crew if you don’t want your feeling hurt and you want us to trust you with the boys, how about the radical idea of giving us a little respect and stop treating the fans like we are stupid and will swallow any B*&%sh#t you’re about to feed us.

    Comment by Dolly Doyle — September 21, 2010 @ 3:32 pm

  37. I didn’t mind the YED clip, as I think it is a dream sequence, but I just looked at the new promo of “the big hug” reunion on spoiler tv website and I am as disgusted as you, Dolly Doyle. Sam is going to be a cold, uncaring, awesome hunter jerk (it looks like to me). Dean is all emo over Sam, of course. I imagine he will be ticked off, too, but that wasn’t shown on the clip. Looks to me like Dean will end up running after Sam AGAIN this season…trying to ‘help’ him, trying to ‘fix’ him, trying to get him to ‘love him’. Man, I am so sick of that. I would kick the jerk to the curb and, as far as I am concerned, they might as well stick him with Lisa/Ben for good.

    And I’ve said it before, I am really tired of all the previouslies and now every far-fetched dead relative they could conjure up. Dear God!

    Comment by Sheri — September 21, 2010 @ 4:00 pm

  38. An added comment regarding the lighting on this clip.

    Anytime we see Dean in his normal little life in the burbs, the lighting will be bright and sunny, I think.

    Comment by Sheri — September 21, 2010 @ 4:14 pm

  39. Saw the clip too: Cold, unfeeling Sam meets sensitive, emo Dean. Sam looks ahead coldly as Dean shows emotions of love and joy, then anger. Sam looks ahead coldly.– Jensen and Jared will not be overworked this season if their characters are to be that one-dimensional.

    Comment by CaseyT — September 21, 2010 @ 6:16 pm

  40. I’ve just watched the clip upon waking. It looks like Sam is hiding/holding an awful lot of pain. That’s the only good thing I can take out of the clip, because it’s absolutely god awful. Sam answers Dean with ” yea, it’s me.” casually, but also with some anger. Why’s he angry at Dean? Then for the rest of the clip, he’s just flat out cold. I’m totally confused, and disgruntled. One thing I know for sure is that this new Sam does not suit Jared’s acting style/ability, and if it continues for long, it will likely prove detrimental to his future career.

    In episode seven (Family Matters) there is a box cage for imprisoning and torturing someone. You can find a picture of the cage on the net. At this point I can only hope that Sam is not Sam, and Dean tortures the hell out of him in that cage to get to the bottom of things, because I’m not liking Sam, at all, and he’s the bro I favour.

    If The Campbell family, YED, Monsters, and Sam, are all brought back through unknown circumstances that stay unknown, or are brought back by God for unknown circumstances, or are just brought back because of some mysterious affect that the apocalypse or Lucifer being killed has caused, then I sincerely hope the show gets cancelled, because it will most certainly deserve it.

    As for the campbell family, I don’t mind grandpa, but I sure as hell don’t want to see any other relations, especially not young ones, and especially not in the present.

    SPOLIER
    In episode three, the monster is a shape shifter. He takes the form of Sam. This is why Sam is being beat upon by Dean, and probably why he looks flat out evil in some of the pics.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — September 21, 2010 @ 7:23 pm

  41. Another point, if Sam is not Sam, I sure as hell hope they don’t drag the mystery out for too long. That goes for all the mysteries actually. Monsters, Campbell family return, and Azazel’s return (if he does so). I hated lost, and I sure as hell don’t want Supernatural influenced by it.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — September 21, 2010 @ 7:33 pm

  42. We’re suppose to find out what’s up with Sam around mid-season, I believe around episode 10 they said. So, I’m assuming it will be right before winter Hellatus.

    Comment by Jared — September 21, 2010 @ 7:40 pm

  43. Episode two, sorry.

    Where are you getting your information from, Jared?

    Comment by Kevin Lee — September 21, 2010 @ 7:45 pm

  44. To be perfectly honest I don’t remember exactly where I read it. I could look around if you’d like, though I can’t guarantee I’ll find it.

    Comment by Jared — September 21, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

  45. “That’s the only good thing I can take out of the clip, because it’s absolutely god awful” **

    It’s not exactly the clip I find awful as I stated above, but Sam’s attitude. I love the setting of the clip. Watching it again, I can see that Sam is seriously damaged, and this comes across in his attitude. Maybe it will work out as a good thing.

    It’s the mysterious things that worry me more than anything; how and why people are coming back from the dead.

    Comment by Kevin Lee — September 21, 2010 @ 9:05 pm

  46. I have to confess ‘an interest’ here in that I am a writer; however, it is because of that I have to go with the majority of the opinions expressed here and hope the sequence is a dream, for 2 reasons.
    The first is impact – years ago, watching Star Trek TNG, I saw one of the best and most astonishing episodes – Tasha Yar died, and stayed dead. Me and my aunt looked at each other in amazement, having waited until the last second for Picard to fix it, because she was a Main Character, and in ST, the Main Characters don’t die. It was incredibly powerful TV – except that they went an ruined it by bringing her back continually as alternate universe, flashback, clone, etc.
    Likewisee YED/Azazel was a worthy villain for Sam and Dean, yet bringing him back will ruin that pivotal moment in Season 2 where John Winchester and both his sons united as a trio to kill Azazel in revenge for Mary’s death: Sam distracted him, John jumped him, Dean killed him; perfect. It was powerful TV and excellent – even poetic – script-writing that should be acknowledged as brilliant and not be messed around with – sometimes, the best thing that can happen to a character is to stay dead; when you reach the top, the only way is down. Azazel went out at the peak of his glory and in truly satisfying style. If they want to reference the character, they should concentrate on his “daughter” demoness who is still lurking around.
    The second reason also relates to the “return” of Mitch Pileggi as their grandfather, namely: Logic, let me introduce you to this window. Azazel was killed by the Colt, so that means anything killed by it (including those things killed 200 years back by Col Colt’s demon-hunter best friend) could return. Then Azazel killed Deanna and Samuel Campbell – but if he is back, everyone Azazel killed, including all previous hosts, could come back. Then there is the magic dagger, which did the same as the Colt – if the Colt doesn’t guarantee permanent death, what about everyone that got sliced and diced with that? If Samuel Campbell is back, why not Deanna, Mary and John? – if it is really him, a towering rage at the non-resurrection of my beloved wife and daughter plus my cool demon-hunting son-in-law would be up there as my first reactions.
    Why not Ellen and Jo, whose deaths I didn’t really see the point of – the writers initially did good in their willingness to kill off popular characters for the good of the mythology, but then Eric Kripke seemed to take a perverse delight in foolishly wiping out characters he’d probably need later on for exposition/recurring plot.
    And what about Samuel’s brother Ted, last mentioned in Season 3, along with the others on the ‘bucket list’ given to Sam by Blonde Ruby who spent nigh on 20 years giving Azazel the run around so he couldn’t find Sam, until he went to Stanford – why isn’t he back? Again the non-return of a beloved demon hunter brother should be high on Sam Campbell’s list of gripes. What about faithful Bobby Singer, why not bring his wife back, or their friends, Caleb and Preacher Jim, killed in Season 1, or Pamela Barnes. There is also the issue that we’ve never really been given a definitive on who God (the big G one) is, where he’s gone and what he’s planning; and if Lucifer is defeated and trapped, why does he still have the power to do things?
    The problem with Azazel’s return – and Sam Campbell’s – is the wholesale unravelling of the show’s mythology. Ok we are supposedly past the Heaven and Hell arc but there’s a whole can of plot worms just waiting to spill out here – what about Gabriel, Uriel, Zachariah, Anna and Alastair, Lillith and Ruby – are they going to return? What about Adam Milligan, will he return, will he be accepted by Samuel Campbell as the son of his son-in-law but not his daughter?
    There is also the glaring inconsistency in that a lot of the psychic kids pulled off feats greater than Sam did, earlier than he did, without any recourse to – pun intended – the ruby red or any direct demon’s assistance. Ruby also told Sam, “you don’t need the feather, Dumbo” implying that his abilities were natural to him. Neither Missouri nor Pamela nor baby Rosie had any demon blood, but were naturally psychic. Sam’s inabilities with his psychic talents therefore have always seemed to me to be psychosomatic – John brought Dean and Sam up to be bigoted and prejudiced against *everything* supernatural/mystical, instead of what was *evil*, which is not the same thing. Sam was only really able to start using his powers when John and Dean were both “gone”, indicating it was fear of their reaction making him repress abilities he’d always had naturally. Azazel took advantage of what Sam was capable of, but he didn’t cause it, and Dean seeing Sam’s eyes go yellow in Yellow Fever wasn’t real, but his own mind projecting the prejudice and fear their father had indoctrinated into him. That has been a major, underlying continuity flaw in the writing since Season 1, and it would be a much richer, emotive and satisfying writing theme if the show were to really address such issues head on and how Sam and Dean overcome that ‘elephant’ in the corner along with several others.

    Comment by Ysabel Ekaterin — September 22, 2010 @ 6:12 am

  47. @ sabel Ekaterin: Yes and yes. What you write is pure logic, and screwing around with such common sense logic is what caused all the problems that came together in S5.

    I especially agree with this:

    “…sometimes, the best thing that can happen to a character is to stay dead; when you reach the top, the only way is down.”

    Jo and Ellen’s death was poignant. I really disliked Jo (who I was glad was killed off) and loved Ellen (who I think should have stayed to be the ‘mother figure’ that helps keep Dean in line). Bringing them back even as ghosts diminishes their death (my opinion).

    I really liked Pamela the first time we saw her. The second time, not so much, but it wasn’t bad. Bringing her back in Dark Side of the Moon was nothing but boring.

    The instant resurrection of Cas and Bobby in Swan Song was pointless.

    Now the YED (unless it is a dream sequence) would totally diminish the boys’ victory.

    And your comments about all the others that could be brought back but aren’t (as far as we know to date) cannot be ignored. I can just hear the outrage from fans about no John, even though I feel they have trashed the character so much that if I were JDM, I would refuse to come back.

    Let’s just hope it’s a dream, because I like YED, but I want him to stay dead. And who wouldn’t want to see more of mean Zach (Kurt Fuller), who was a great evil guy.

    Comment by Sheri — September 22, 2010 @ 7:22 am

  48. Actually come to think of it,When Dean travelled back in time the first time, Didn’t he tell Azazel that he is the one that kills him? Pretty poor choice to tell him really. He had how many years to prepare a ressurection? He definatly seems smart enough to pull something like that off. Perhaps it was a gift from Lucifer or more a payment for preparing the vessel. If angels have the power to do that i’m guessing thats exactly what Lucifer did.

    Also raises another question.
    And in case not everyone as read the spoilers on upcoming episodes…
    **********SPOILER WARNING!!!****************
    If Azazel’s in THIS episode, Who’s the old foe they run into in episode 3??

    Comment by ozsix(sic)six — September 22, 2010 @ 7:57 am

  49. “If Azazel’s in THIS episode, Who’s the old foe they run into in episode 3??”

    That’s the Cas episode (Cas’s first appearance), so it’s probably Raphael.

    Comment by Sheri — September 22, 2010 @ 8:51 am

  50. Thanks Sheri for your kind words; what my waffle was trying to convey was that believable motivation for your characters’ actions, attitudes and worldview is arguably the most vital thing to get right and Love, death, grief, rage are all in the top 5 “propellants”. Sometimes those things echo over years – in her Vorkosigan series, Lois McMaster Bujold’s main characters have deep emotional motivations caused by the brutal murder of their grandmother, over 50 years before they were born. Miles, the central protagonist, born physically defective on a planet that routinely practices infanticide of imperfect infants, is motivated by the “ghosts” of those who have never existed – the children his mother never dared have after him, whose lack of physical deformity would have resulted in his murder. The kicker is his mother fled a planet where reproduction was ruthlessly restricted to one or two children to the planet he was born on in order to have a large family.
    Long before Dean and Sam were born, Mary was motivated by the ancestors killed before her generation to want out of the “life”. Sam’s whole life has been shaped and moulded by the murder of his mother, a woman he never knew or developed any bond with.
    Bringing back characters – any, all or some – that removes that motivational drive usually works out badly. After all, why should Dean or Sam worry, or even try to fight evil, if everyone they’ve a) lost tragically and/or b)determinedly killed keeps popping up every Thanksgiving to crib a bit of turkey and generally annoy.

    Comment by Ysabel Ekaterin — September 23, 2010 @ 8:03 am

  51. @ Ysabel: Very well made point and well thought out. The show is very close to having the fans not believe the motivational reasons for hunting, IMO. Personally, I passed that point when the Trickster turned into Gabriel, even though that wasn’t a resurrection per se, but close enough in a general sense of the concept.

    The excuse for Jo and Ellen is that they will be ghosts. No clue as to how Grandpa and all the cousins or any other extended family storyline will be handled (because we were told through narrative that the entire family was killed off, along with friends and the family doctor).

    Comparatively speaking, though, this may be the least of the shows problems. My patience was stretched very thin throughout S5 with the loss of any cohesive direction, dropped plots, bad character development and; for me, the most unsatisfactory ending that I have ever seen. From everything I know about S6, I don’t expect I will be watching past the premiere. I am just sick of being jerked around by TPTB who appear arrogant and/or out of touch with the fans.

    But I did enjoy your reasoned and thoughtful post. Thank you.

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