“The Born-Again Identity” Discussion

Post your thoughts on tonight’s episode, featuring the return of Misha Collins. Click HERE for my full recap or keep reading for my thoughts.

First, I need to say that I like this show a lot. I really do. You guys know that, right?

I mention that because I have serious issues with this episode. Yes, having Misha Collins back is always a great thing, and I still love Lucifer and Meg, and I’m kind of glad they finally resolved that whole “Sam’s tortured soul” stuff after one and a half seasons, but didn’t it all seem a little too easy?

Cas shows up, touches Sam, and just like that, the bad parts of Sam’s soul are transferred into Cas. I thought Sam’s entire soul was infected. Did Cas remove part of Sam’s soul? Did he exchange it for something else, like an artificial leg? Or is he able to just scrape off the bad parts like a burnt piece of toast?

I know these are silly things to worry about, but the fact that one quick moment can totally cure Sam of everything that’s been wrong with him for so long seems like a very easy way to resolve the storyline. Sure I appreciate that Cas is essentially paying for his crimes by taking on Lucifer in his mind, but still.

Also, not to harp on the bad parts, but last week left two huge cliffhangers with the Leviathan plan to cure cancer and Frank being taken, and this week none of that is even mentioned. I’m definitely frustrated by the way the show has mishandled the Leviathan storyline this season, because it had so much promise.

To repeat, I still like this show. Maybe it’s just that I’m rewatching season 5 on TNT, and the whole Apocalypse storyline was handled so beautifully that season 7 can’t help but seem subpar in comparison.

Anyway, maybe now that Sam is cured we can move on. Bring on the Leviathans and bring on next week’s hilariously silly “hunt drunk” episode!

News posted on March 23, 2012 Comments (201)


  1. where’s the impala?!!!! I want it back!

    Comment by stephanie — March 23, 2012 @ 5:29 pm

  2. Horrible episode. Cas dean and Sam should be fine. Lucifer should just die.

    Comment by jack — March 23, 2012 @ 6:04 pm

  3. Wtf!!! It was a great episode and it had me hanging at the edge of my seat and screaming at the tv but poor Cas! I wish they would of stretched it out in the fact that a bunch of people didn’t want an “insta-fix” for Sam and thats what happened. Don’t get me wrong I’m so glad Sam is better and not dead but I think they should have stretched it out a bit. Meg’s apperence at first seemed kinda pointless then I realized that she is gonna be in more episodes this season and is gonna have a story-line with what she has planned with Cas. Dean kinda suprized me in the fact that though he was probably exhasted trying to help his brother he was still prepared to kick some demon ass. Theres a fine line between ‘an episode over loaded with to many things going on at once’ and ‘an episode with so many things going on that it just made it even more awesome with everything that happened’ and SPN walked on that line perfectly. Great episode but like I said before Poor Cas!!!

    Comment by Tara — March 23, 2012 @ 6:11 pm

  4. I wasn’t too thrilled with how Cas took the Crazies away from Sam, and now He’s just all better.
    I feel like this season is seriously lacking in the brotherly moments that were once so abundant in the past. I used to be hooked on the show, but IDK what to think about the show anymore?

    Comment by katylin — March 23, 2012 @ 6:11 pm

  5. Jared, one again, totally knocked it out of the park. He was awesome in this satisfactory episode. Satisfactory because Cas *finally* is feeling and experiencing all the Hell that Sam experienced, which needs no reminding that all started with Cas in the first place i.e. knowingly using Sam to start the Apocalypse and telling Dean to leave Sam in Hell in order to let the soulless hunter survive.

    I thought wanted Dean to kill Cas but this is soooo much better, that Cas is left behind to suffer Sam’s pain.

    Comment by Lee — March 23, 2012 @ 6:15 pm

  6. Oh one more thing I have to agree with you @Katylin when Cas said there’s nothing more he could do I was expecting Dean to show some kind of overwelming emotion like mabey him getting angry or start to tear up or something! He didn’t show any emotion to the fact that his brother was dying! Dean also seemed like he didn’t give a crap about Cas, I know he does deep down but Sam showed more emotion toward the Cas situation.

    Comment by Tara — March 23, 2012 @ 6:16 pm

  7. I agree with Tara. But I think it need 2 be the brothers Cas and Bobby work together.

    Comment by jack — March 23, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

  8. I agree with Katylin. But I think it need 2 be the brothers Cas and Bobby work together.

    Comment by jack — March 23, 2012 @ 6:19 pm

  9. #4, I’m still hooked on this show. I love me some supernatural.
    welcome back Castile’s

    Comment by pam53 — March 23, 2012 @ 6:21 pm

  10. Great episode. I loved seeing Cas and Meg again. I am sure they will bring Cas back some how.

    Comment by Sue Green — March 23, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

  11. Loved this episode. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. I am happy with Cas taking on Lucifer to help Sam. It seems fitting.
    I also liked that he apologized to Sam for what he did. Next weeks episode looks funny, can’t wait.
    Also, can’t wait to see pictures of little Thomas. Great name. Congrats Jared and Gen.

    Comment by MJ — March 23, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

  12. It was an OK episode. Dean in my opinion seemed tired and I felt like Jensen wasn’t all in…like maybe he didn’t want Collins back…I don’t know. Just feel too like the bromance has faded away.

    I know the Js want to do a season 8, but it feels like SPN is getting old..or not enough good SPN episodes?

    Episode was good…but not great.

    Comment by ozzie — March 23, 2012 @ 6:28 pm

  13. I say great episode! Thank GOD its getting back on track. I loved it from the git but we all know our fav times and to me it feels like the good ole days are comin back.

    Comment by larry — March 23, 2012 @ 6:29 pm

  14. Dean is not going to feel sorry for Cass because it was his fault for hurting Sam in the first place, He is not going to forgive him.

    Comment by Cathy — March 23, 2012 @ 6:31 pm

  15. Disappointed.

    Miracle cure for Sam again.

    Comment by Rachael — March 23, 2012 @ 6:32 pm

  16. Great episode , I love my Supernatural.

    Comment by Cathy — March 23, 2012 @ 6:32 pm

  17. I’m not saying I absolutely hated it, but I felt like I was promised something, and it was just glossed over super quick. I still like the show, but I feel as though there is something lacking, that isn’t connecting with me like it used to

    Comment by katylin — March 23, 2012 @ 6:33 pm

  18. Really disappointed in tonight’s episode. An insta-fix for Sam? I mean, really, show? They just can’t give Sam any good solid story lines without ruining them in the end. I don’t know if I even wanna watch anymore.

    Comment by Katie — March 23, 2012 @ 6:33 pm

  19. To be honest, I was prepared for the insta-fixed so maybe I’m not as pissed because I was expecting it. Typical. This was pathetic writers. Jared did an AMAZING job with crazy!Sam but this so called “storyline” was barely a storyline. It seemed the writers just wanted to get rid of this so they raced to the finish line. Very disappointing indeed. Now there seems there’s nothing to look forward to for the rest of the season. Nothing else seems remotely interesting. Writers blew it again.

    At least Cas is paying for what he did. I have no sympathy for him he deserves it.

    Comment by Kiki — March 23, 2012 @ 6:38 pm

  20. Well, it was an ambitious script. Where’s Raelle Tucker? SG needs her help. I didn’t dislike it, but it turned out to be the very thing I was hoping wasn’t going to happen. This was a Cas episode, damn it, and the great transformation was Cas took on Sam’s hellpain and he retreats in the face of his more powerful brother. So now we have at least two more episodes where the brothers will have to figure out what to do with him. Meg, I guess, is there to look out for him, since it’s pretty obvious the head doctor is a shady Levi. (If he were a demon, Meg would have seen that.)

    The first 8 minutes were boring as hell, and then Dean kicked some demon butt. Too bad we kept having to switch back to Sam’s stupid hellpain, and the side-running Sam heroically saves a damsel in distress while barely being able to function. Dean, meanwhile, has to rely on Cas to save his ass AGAIN before he can get help for his brother. Yeah, same on deus ex machina when the angels show up. — And what the hell is it that God sends someone to save Cas. Really? If Cas turns out to be Jesus, I’m really going to be pissed with this season.

    So, Winchesters don’t work with demons, except when they need, want, or find it necessary to work with demons. Uh, Dean, that’s what Cas did and you’re not only pissed at him, but losing your best friend set you on a path of total despair. Well, that’s just how awesome Cas is, I guess.

    So, Dean deems he needs the help of a supernatural being, so he accepts working with Meg. And why is Crowley so intent on killing Dean (and possibly Sam)? Oh, yeah, it’s been a few months and Dick isn’t dead. It simply doesn’t make sense — to kill the guys that might still come through in the end when Crowley can’t. Dick already told Crowley that he would never work with demons, who are the scum of the Earth, so killing the Winchesters isn’t going to make any difference one way or the other.

    And then there was a little Bobby ghost thrown in. If Bobby just ends up being the Casper that helps the brothers out occasionally, I’m going to be pissed again.

    And where in God’s green Earth is the Impala. These shitty cars are not cutting it.

    The good things:

    Old, old song, Wake Up Little Suzy by the Everly Brothers.

    Action episode, but I’d like a little more slaughtering, please.

    The episode moved along, but it was way too ambitious.

    Comment by Sheri — March 23, 2012 @ 6:43 pm

  21. I thought Jensen was fantastic in his scenes with Cas and Sam. The car scene was wonderfully acted and I loved seeing Dean give Cas the trench coat.

    Comment by Maggie — March 23, 2012 @ 6:46 pm

  22. Overall, I loved the episode. Sure, there were some parts I had BIG issues with, but overall I think the cast sold it.

    I certainly am not a fan of Sam’s insta-fix, but this show has pulled it so many times that it really didn’t surprise me. It was a nice twist to have Cas take on all Sam’s suffering, but the logic of him taking in the scars inflicted on Sam’s soul doesn’t make much sense to me…

    Dean was off tonight. The opening scene between Dean and Sam was very emotionally-charged, yet I felt like Jensen could’ve done more with it. I love Jensen and everything he’s done with Dean, but I wanted more emotion from him tonight and was left wanting at the end of it all.

    The soundtrack where Emmanuel transformed back into Castiel felt wrong to me. I love the show’s rock backbone and am excited every time it gets back to the classics, but I felt the song used didn’t suit the moment the editors were trying to create with the demon-killing montage.

    As I said before, overall I loved the episode. Castiel’s reappearance was suiting and the episode felt longer somehow considering everything it contained. I just the end result was rushed and a little more effort on everyone’s part would’ve turned tonight into one of the best episodes of the series.

    Comment by Jennifer — March 23, 2012 @ 6:57 pm

  23. “I felt like Jensen wasn’t all in…like maybe he didn’t want Collins back”

    Lee you must have missed the several interviews in which Jensen has said it was great to have Misha back on set and that he wants Misha back in the cast. I wonder how you managed that? I’m sure they are probably posted here since they were very heavily publicized and there is even a video interview in which he says he wants Misha back in season 8.

    I think it was very fitting and symmetrical for Cas to take Sam’s trauma, but I hate to think what might happen to him if Meg has him in her clutches. I thought Misha gave a fantastic performance in his fifth(?) “version” of Cas and the way he switched back into “our” Cas was really moving. The smiting was awesome.

    The ending really broke my heart. I hope Cas will recover and be back in TFW where he belongs.

    Comment by Maria — March 23, 2012 @ 7:05 pm

  24. @Jennifer I agree about the Dean. He strangely didn’t feel very emotionally invested tonight. He was pretty broken up when Bobby was dying yet he didn’t show much emotion when Sam was dying. Maybe he was just so wired with helping him but considering Dean’s usually the emotional center he just felt very off tonight.

    Comment by Kiki — March 23, 2012 @ 7:08 pm

  25. I thought Jensen was spot-on with his portrayel of Dean tonight. Dean was conflicted, his brother has issues, his best friend, who betrayed him, who he thought was dead is back, but said best friend doesn’t remember who he is and what he did. There was a lot going on and Dean was being pulled in a lot of different directions. Dean, as Jensen said in a recent interview, has to be strong for everyone and push forward, Dean was searching and trying to find a way to help Sam, he was focused on the task at hand.

    I commend Jensen and everyone else on a job well done.

    Comment by sammey — March 23, 2012 @ 7:14 pm

  26. I also thought Dean was spot on tonight for who he is. I thought he showed plenty of emotion when he was with Sam early in the show. He left as soon as he could and went immediately into desperate research mode to help Sam (I always pictured Sam doing the same in “Faith”). I loved how Dean’s expressive eyes conveyed his feeling toward Cas’s betrayal. You could just see it there. He wasn’t ready to forgive him yet. If Dean didn’t care, he would have not spent so much time hunting down every hunter, lead, etc… to find a cure for Sam. He did everything he possibly could, and then some. Dean may not have directly saved Sam, but without his tenacity, Sam would truly be dead now. I thought Dean looked devastated when Cas said he couldn’t help Sam. He looked so lost and helpless. He didn’t know what to do after all he put in getting help for Sam. I will say, I hope this is the end of the hell pain for Sam, it went on way, way too long. The boys need to get back to what they do: killing as many evil SOB’s as they can.

    Comment by twinster — March 23, 2012 @ 7:27 pm

  27. I agree w/Kiki and Jennifer. Dean felt “off” to me tonight as well. Maybe that’s why the episode wasn’t all that good to me. It was okay, but it was far from great.

    I was not a fan of the insta-fix. In all honestly, I hate the way Sam’s arc/story played out if you can even call it that. I don’t share the belief of those who think the writers made it too big so it could never work. I can think of a dozen ways to subtly show Sam’s hallucinations and hellpain that do not include MP’s Lucifer. And I’ve read numerous posts from others that listed creative ways to show Sam’s hallucinations, but Show chose to backburner his problems for most of the season.

    I always felt the return to Sam’s arc wouldn’t make sense and would feel contrived, and I was right – at least for me. LOL!

    I have problems w/Sam solving cases in the middle of this breakdown. I love Sam, but no human being is that strong, and I don’t think it would have been horrible to just show him trying to cope or whatever.

    The instafix bothers me, but it was clear from 7.05 that the writers weren’t really interested in exploring Sam’s broken wall. I will never understand why they allowed it to fall anyway since they seemingly never had any intention of exploiting it but whatevs!

    The episode was okay to me. I sincerely hope the writers get a clue for next season. I know many didn’t like Season 6, but I enjoyed S6 immensely. It was much better than this season. This season ranks dead last in my list of favorite seasons.

    It’s aimless. There’s no direction. There’s no overarching plot. I couldn’t care less about the Leviathans. They are a bad enemy, IMO.

    Comment by Lisa1 — March 23, 2012 @ 7:33 pm

  28. I think what we saw with Dean tonight is a man still sinking. The line, “mutually assured destruction,” pretty well summed up where Dean is at. He thinks it’s all going to end bloody, and I don’t think Dean much cares one way or the other, but he’ll keep on fighting until the end (as he said in Jus En Bello).

    I thought JA did a terrific job showing all of that going on; from his interaction with Sam in the beginning, especially with his interaction with Cas, and his complete contempt with Meg. He had a difficult role in this episode. I thought JA did a masterful job.

    For what JP had to work with, he did a great job, too. It’s just that his storyline is so sucky, it’s hard to sit through it. In fact, when I rewatch, I’ll be FF’ing through Sam’s part of the episode.

    Comment by Sheri — March 23, 2012 @ 7:35 pm

  29. Less is more, Sera. Less is more.

    I don’t think I could have been more wrong in regards to my theories about this episode and the remainder of the season. A devastatingly bad episode in my opinion. Nothing worked. Once again, Castiel takes centre stage of Supernatural. His action of taking on Sam’s hell pain is nothing but a cheap trick to get Sam fans to forgive Cas and welcome him back into the show with open arms.

    I really thought these remaining episodes would touch deeper on the themes that have been running through the season, and complement what’s gone before. Instead they prove beyond a doubt that everything about this season has been nothing but superficial. A waste of time. Aimless. Pointless. I’m not sure Sera has any depth to her, and if she does, we don’t see any of that depth in her Supernatural scripts.

    Supernatural has been bled dry by vampires. It now needs an honest man or woman to put it out of its misery.

    Comment by Johno — March 23, 2012 @ 7:43 pm

  30. Sheri, I think you hit it right on. Dean will do what he needs to do but his head space is really in a bad place.

    I thought JA was excellent tonight in his portrayal of Dean. I could so easily see his contempt of Meg, his despair of Sam, and his conflicting feelings for the return of Cas.

    I enjoyed the Sam parts too but I was wondering how in the world he could help that poor girl with her ghostly problem with the total mental breakdown that he was suffering.

    Not once did I feel that Dean was “off” in his emotions or actions. Perhaps I’ll need to rewatch it again to get a better feel for it.

    Comment by twinster — March 23, 2012 @ 7:45 pm

  31. OMG I loved tonight’s episode! It was filled with such great emotion and humor!! I really enjoy Lucifer’s sense of humor I’m going to miss that once he’s gone! I loved how the producers and everyone brought in Misha back!! And I got to say I LOVE Jared’s stubble! It makes him look even sexier!! I agree though with twinster that I’ll probably have to watch this episode again and get another view on it but overall it was an excellent episode one of my favorites from Season 7!

    Comment by JAFan2206 — March 23, 2012 @ 7:51 pm

  32. I thought the episode was great but I found it very… I don’t want to say out of character… but very wrong of the boys to leave Meg to “play” with Cas. We all know that is not going to go anywhere good!

    Jared’s acting this episode was really moving – he played hopeless and crazy so well and it was nice to see even damaged beyond repair Sam help out when needed. The looks towards Lucifer while others were conversing with him were perfect and Jared just acted the whole thing out of the park. Loved it!!

    I did not think Jensen’s acting was off either. as mentioned above, his eyes and facial expressions always convey so much – often more than the words. He was worried for Sam, afraid of not being able to help him, conflicted about Cas and reluctant with Meg. Well acted and written in my opinion.

    I did not like this Meg… she was too cocky and she just rubbed me the wrong way.
    Loved having Misha back, thought him taking on Sam’s hellpain was a perfect way to fix it. As much as I wanted to see into Sam’s suffering, I got there and it was time for it to end. If it carried on too much longer, it would become monotonous and old. So while not realistic to fix it so quick, it was needed.

    And loved the shout out to Bobby.

    True, not as good as earlier seasons but I do still love this show, both boys and Cas and Bobby to pieces.

    Oh, one last thing… I MISS THE IMPALA!

    Comment by Anneabell — March 23, 2012 @ 7:54 pm

  33. All these people should just write their own supernatural. They no better than writers that have a show going strong into the 7th season. The show is great this season and cas is going to get better. He can’t die and they left it open for him to get better. Meg isn’t watching him for no reason. Also do you thing the leviathan story line is going slow because it is going to stretch into the 8th season or maybe they should just poof and kill all of them off so people can complain that it was too easy to fix the leviathan problem.

    Comment by Sal — March 23, 2012 @ 7:56 pm

  34. Yikes, Sal… These are just people’s opinions. Some liked the insta fix, some didn’t. Some thought Dean was “off” tonight, and some thought he was right on (like me). I’m kinda hoping for a miracle to finish off the Leviathans and have something completely new for season 8.

    Comment by twinster — March 23, 2012 @ 8:05 pm

  35. I sure hope the terminally boring Leviathans don’t bleed into Season 8.

    Sal, I’m happy you’re enjoying the show. I wish I could do the same b/c at one time Supernatural was my favorite show. This season, unfortunately, has not been very good, IMO.

    I hope to fall in love w/the show again. Now, we’re just “acquaintances.” Hahaha!

    Comment by Lisa1 — March 23, 2012 @ 8:10 pm

  36. @ twinster #30: It’s really hard to believe a guy that is near death from lack of sleep (as improbable as that is…because there was NO research into the psychosis aspect of the story at all); a guy who can’t even open a candy bar wrapper…is that bad off when you’re staring at those buff arms in a T-shirt. That guy is really, really big and looks really, really fit. The LimpSam storyline just doesn’t fit with the actor.

    Jensen, playing Dean, I thought looked just like a guy putting one foot in front of the other to just keep going.

    Comment by Sheri — March 23, 2012 @ 8:11 pm

  37. I understand opinions but some of the comments to end the show come on. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but ripping the show apart is different. The only way the leviathans are going to be quick fixed are if cas gets better and goes worldwide killing them. The only way they will do that is it this is the last season and that is not going to happen. I think they will be a two season enemy. There has never been an advisory like them before. I have a strange feeling this season is going to have some very strange turns still to go.

    Comment by Sal — March 23, 2012 @ 8:14 pm

  38. Until I saw Cas for the first time I did not realize how much I actually missed him on the show. Maybe it is because Bobby has been killed off and there is no one left but when I saw Cas I felt like FINALLY there is someone there to help the boys.

    Only because someone posted here that she is going to be in further episodes do I understand what Meg’s purpose was here. If someone hadn’t posted that I would have just thought another lousy and unnecessary add-on.

    Jared did a Great job throughout the episode. And he and Mark Pelligrino did a fine job of acting together without working together. But I was disappointed when the episode ended and Lucifer is still there.

    Cas sacrificed once again for his friends and locked himself away with Lucifer. However I do not feel it will be anywhere as bad for him as it has been for Sam because Castiel is an Angel too. Now as long as the writers get him out of there by the end of the season I will be alright with what was done here.

    Of course I do wonder what happened to his wife?

    I wouldn’t say Jensen/Dean seemed “off” in this episode. I just chalk it up to being another episode where Dean gets shirked aside and someone else takes the hero role. As someone pointed out: even though Sam was locked up in a mental health facility, was going for days and days without sleep, was suffering from injuries from being smashed by a car, and was being constantly harrassed by an hallucinatory lucifer he STILL managed to save that girl from her ghost brother.
    And Dean? He got to be beaten up by some nothing demons and get rescued by Meg.
    Really? Really? That’s the best Dean can get?

    I was happy when Dean gave Cas his trenchcoat. And I was glad to see how much Dean was torn between hating his friend and being so glad to have him back.

    Of course we did get the 1-2-3 Sammy-is-well-again trick. Ho Hum Ho Hum. I do hope Dean got Sam right back to their “hideout” so Sam could finally get some sleep.

    No Impala. More crap from Crowley. Blah blah blah blah.

    And yet still not a horrible episode. Jared did a good job in the meaty role he was given and Jensen did the best he could with the wallpaper role he got. And Misha did a fine job both as Cas and not as Cas. Definitely wouldn’t mind Misha keeping a SUPPORTING role if we get an 8th season.

    Now that Sam is back on his feet maybe we will get the focused rage and determination I have been hoping to see in Dean since Bobby was murdered.

    Not a great episode but not a bad one either. I will watch it again tomorrow.

    Comment by SL — March 23, 2012 @ 8:15 pm

  39. You know, Sheri, I thought the same thing about Sam’s arms. I thought, man he is really fit for someone who is has been spiraling out of control for awhile! LOL!!! I thought it was a bit much that Sam could help that poor girl with her ghost problem considering the debilitating mental break he was suffering.

    Dean on the other hand did seem like a guy that as you said “putting one foot in front of the other to keep going”. No matter how tired he was physically and mentally, he is going to help Sam because that is who Dean is. Dean really needs some rest!

    Comment by twinster — March 23, 2012 @ 8:18 pm

  40. I felt like this episode was like a bad fanfic. It wasn’t draw out long enough. The action was over before it started and Jensen (Dean) was there, but he wasn’t really there. Dean seemed more depressed than normal and his heart just wasn’t up to par. There was this look in his eyes that just didn’t reassure me this week. I want a season 8, but sometimes I just don’t know if the show will make it. I don’t know what side to take in the fight for season 8. I don’t like a lot more episodes now that Kripke stepped down. Maybe we have to prepare for our goodbyes?

    Comment by stephanie — March 23, 2012 @ 8:19 pm

  41. this episode was fine except the ending…

    dean leaving a crazy powered up angel in a psychiatric hospital with a demon to watch over him? completely OOC.

    Comment by Lori — March 23, 2012 @ 8:22 pm

  42. Is Cas a demon? I kind of got that feeling. And the whole Meg thing.

    Comment by Johno — March 23, 2012 @ 8:24 pm

  43. Hmmmm….Lori, I’m not so sure about Dean being OOC. He is still really pissed at Cas even though he came through at the end and perhaps he and Sam will try to figure out a way to help him but they don’t have the power to do it right now. I guess we will see.

    Comment by twinster — March 23, 2012 @ 8:48 pm

  44. Y

    Comment by Erin — March 23, 2012 @ 8:54 pm

  45. Kudos to all the actors; I think they did a great job. But I have to say that Jared impressed the heck out of me. The guy was breaking my heart with his expressions.

    I knew Cas was going to fix Sam but the twist that he would take Sam’s pain on himself was a surprise. I wonder if the writers were being very on the nose with the name Emmanuel…

    That said, there was something missing. The emotions were off somehow. Would it have killed the writers to have Dean touch his brother at some point? And there wasn’t really a sense of urgency. It was almost too casual. I know I’m comparing it to seasons past, but those are some of the things that I miss about the show.

    Comment by inky — March 23, 2012 @ 9:29 pm

  46. Oh and poor Daphne. She will never know what happened to her loving husband Emmanuel.

    Comment by inky — March 23, 2012 @ 9:31 pm

  47. I am sorry but to me and I have to ask if anyone else felt the same way did it seem like a slap in the face that Dean sends the amulet to a landfill yet treats the wet moldy trench coat like some priceless artifact?

    Comment by keldarlon — March 23, 2012 @ 9:34 pm

  48. I agree that Dean’s behavior was strange. He seemed almost distant. But I have a theory as to why. Before he usually vented about how upset or scared he was about losing Sam or what was going to happen to him. We don’t have Bobby anymore to do that. And since Cas isn’t really Cas he didn’t feel comfortable enough to open up about his feelings of possibly losing Sam. They can’t really have Dean talking to himself. So I think it’s just that Dean can’t express those feelings to anyone else.

    Comment by Lilli — March 23, 2012 @ 9:46 pm

  49. OMG Kripke!! You are trying to give me a heart attack!! Cas! D: How dare you leave him in a mental institute. Kripke, Did you read the first chapter of my fanfic and steal my idea? You horrible man. lmao. Cas was back, I cried. He had amnesia I cried some more, he remembered who he was I cried again and spun circles in the middle of the room in excitement. He takes Sam’s psycho stuff and they just LEAVE him in a damn mental institute that had been infested with demons and leave MEG with him!????? Noooooooooooo!!! You bastards!!!! *Locks self in padded room with Castiel.* I shall protect you from the big bad lucy!!! * points invisible colt at invisible lucifer*

    Comment by Silver — March 23, 2012 @ 9:50 pm

  50. Absolutely loved this episode! Hopefully the rest of the season after next episode will be as great too!

    I’m thrilled to see more demon and angel stuff!

    Comment by muub — March 23, 2012 @ 9:56 pm

  51. Lilli,

    When I compare this episode to Death’s Door, I have to think that Dean must be shoving his emotions down deep because he can’t afford to lose it over his brother dying when he might be able to do something to save him. Or maybe he is just too numb at this point. That’s how I am thinking about it. Jensen did a good job but I wish the show had given him a little more to work with. But as someone mentioned earlier, this was not a Dean episode or even really a Sam one. Sam and Dean were plot vehicles for Cas to obtain his redemption.

    Comment by inky — March 23, 2012 @ 9:58 pm

  52. So so so happy Misha/Castiel is back and hope he stays! I love his character! And I while I care what he did in the past to Sam and Dean and his betrayal, I also, believe in forgiveness. While he had a part in bringing Lucifer up from hell, he came through in the end to help Dean, even though it wasn’t soon enough. Cas might’ve been wrong in bringing Sam back as he did, but at the time he thought he was doing something good for Dean. And in his race for more power and beating Raphael he let his power go to his head, but there’s not many beings who wouldn’t abuse such power in their hands. Cas, does however, feel guilty about his actions and is willing to try and atone for them, which is more than most if any would do. I hope that they can get him back. Sam and Dean could use a friend in their corner.

    I still like Supernatural so far this season though, I too, miss the Impala. Really liked Meg’s quote, “Oh,I don’t know, I believe in the little tree topper.”

    Didn’t seen Jensen’s acting lacking, but Dean’s character is getting tired. But what else can be expected of a man who is continually fighting battles, losing people he cares about, and more often than not, cleaning up Sam’s messes. I will agree though that the brotherly love seems rather strained.

    One more thing, I am not surprised that Sam got a quick fix after seventeen episodes into the season of dealing with Lucifer (even if we didn’t see it for some seasons – it was mentioned in episodes)… after all the show is called Supernatural. It’s not like it was something he could slowly work through. Really it was the only thing to do be done.

    Comment by Lisa — March 23, 2012 @ 10:11 pm

  53. Well! This was a lovely season five rehash/reunion, wasn’t it? I hated that fat actress who played Meg, and we get her back to do more damage, with her lisp and her lack of talent. Mark Pelligrino was awesome, as always, but had not much to do in this ep. Jenny and Jared…well, at least Jared got to do some acting, here. Funny, but I don’t know why he gets knocked on so many boards. He has some chops. Jensen could have phoned this performance in, it was so bad. The writers should all be docked pay, with the sub standard crap they’ve been bringing us since Season five. The show should have been finished by now…

    Comment by Van — March 23, 2012 @ 10:27 pm

  54. The actress who plays Meg did get fat. Maybe she’s pregnant?

    This episode did have flaws. A girl in the insane asylum that just so happens to be haunted? Seriously? This was WAY too contrived to be believable. Also, as was discussed above, Sam got his soul back a bit too easily.

    I’m not happy about Garth returning. I wish they’d just deal with the Leviathan story. This season is dragging!!

    Comment by JJA — March 23, 2012 @ 10:57 pm

  55. @28 “I thought JA did a terrific job showing all of that going on; from his interaction with Sam in the beginning, especially with his interaction with Cas, and his complete contempt with Meg. He had a difficult role in this episode. I thought JA did a masterful job.”

    This is what I saw in the episode too. I agree that Jensen did a masterful job.

    Dean is shoving his emotions aside, which is what Jensen mentioned in the interview @25 mentioned. So, there’s no rollercoaster for him, he’s just trying to stay straight on the path and plan.

    Comment by bree — March 23, 2012 @ 11:17 pm

  56. great episode but cas doesnt deserve it, it was sams idea to stop lucifer and jump in the cage, and it was deans idea to have sams soul put back in, and cas only broke down the wall to keep dean and bobby away and in return he will heal sam. CAS DOESNT DESERVE IT…. but who knows meg showing up at the end means she might bust him out or something

    Comment by taylor arnold — March 23, 2012 @ 11:26 pm

  57. Good episode, poor castiel, I wonder if sam is missing part of his soul again because it was transfered into cas.

    Comment by Cesar Aguilar — March 24, 2012 @ 12:51 am

  58. cas should be ok with the visions of lucifer because unlike sam cas doesn’t need to sleep

    Comment by crazybobby — March 24, 2012 @ 1:20 am

  59. ugh this episode was horrible for me. I was so excited to see Castiel, and then the ending… ugh. You know that feeling you get where you something ends and you don’t know what to do with your life after. That, that’s what I felt seeing Cas sitting in the loony bin. my heart hurts (T_T)

    Comment by :3 — March 24, 2012 @ 2:14 am

  60. Mix reviews, I see. Well, I enjoyed it!!!:)
    It gave me that OMG feeling everytime it went to commerical break,and I had’t feel like this since Bobby’s death. I just wish I hadn’t seen the preview to this episode so I would of been more surprised.
    I loved seeing Cas back!:) I like how they took the story(Although I want to know for sure how he survived)And as far as Sam being healed, I thought what they did was perfect because if Cas was the one who broke the wall, he was the one who needed to take care of it in what ever way, shape, or form that he had to! He felt guilty and he’s trying to mend his mistakes. I didn’t see no “quick fix” like everybody here thinks!
    I just hope he doesn’t stay like that for long. We’ll see what Megs up to.
    And Ofcourse Jared & Jensen were fenomenal as always! Great episode!:)
    I wonder how next weeks episode will turn out to be!

    Comment by Adam — March 24, 2012 @ 2:29 am

  61. To be frank, I agree with the people who think that Sam shouldn’t in any way have been able to take on a haunting while suffering the way he did. I perceived that as quite implausible in consideration of his diagnosis.

    As for the acting, ignoring what I found to be some instances of slightly bumpy acting on Misha Collins’ side, I was still very much satisfied with what I’ve been offered. In fact, I would go as far to say that I was prompted to feel with all three of them, even Castiel. (And that’s something, considering that I don’t like that character.)

    I’ve come to expect an instant fix of Sam’s Lucifer issue, however, I wouldn’t have thought that it would be solved like this; I found Castiel’s act in combination with his total lack of hesitancy from doing what had to be done a very pleasant surprise.

    Castiel gave me the feeling that he didn’t forgive himself for what he’d done to Sam. He didn’t allow himself to do that and seemed to downright refuse Dean’s rather flimsy attempt at “explaining” his actions. I kind of admired that.

    It seemed to me that Castiel didn’t look for forgiveness; he just wanted to right what he’d done wrong. And even though I perceive it as quite implausible as to how it’s gone down, the “instant fix” was the only available solution and the fact that he’s now the one with Lucifer in his head quite a fitting punishment for him.

    I don’t care about storylines heavy on a specific character, and I don’t care which character has the more storylines either; what I do care about, however, is whether a season is telling a story or not.

    During S6, I’ve had the feeling that the storyline didn’t make any sense, quite a jumbled mess that aborted directions that very probably should’ve been pursued and explored more (the Campbells, the Mother of All, etc.), but nevertheless, for me, that season still did deliver that: a story that was offered a solution, an attempt at an explanation, and that in the end even turned a character that was loved by a significant segment of the Supernatural fandom into a villain, albeit briefly.

    But in terms of the consistency of a season’s main storyline I think this season has been nothing short of a disaster. I don’t see any important storyline now in S7; and that what’s supposed to pass as a Leviathan storyline just seems very foreign, very “non-Supernatural” to me.

    S6, as strange as it might have been as a whole, at least delivered a darkness and a sense of mystery and foreboding that had made the series so compelling in the first place and that, in my opinion, had been lacking in the series since the end of S3.

    The forth, fifth and now seventh season have showed both us (the audience) and the Winchesters themselves too early what was going on: it all began with Castiel in 4×02 telling Dean and us exactly what the demons were planning at that time, breaking the 66 seals in order to free Lucifer, and continued with both Dean and Sam (and us) knowing of their “destiny” by the end of 5×03, and now ended in 7×01 with Death telling them (and us) what exactly they were dealing with – which are all things that I believe would have come across better if shrouded in secrecy at least a little bit longer.

    I think Supernatural has been losing its way most notably since the very beginning of S4, and that of the above reasons. I don’t blame specific characters on that one, but I do blame the way the storylines just keep on getting ahead of themselves.

    It saddens me that a series always has to surpass itself, to have its threats always more dangerous than the preceding ones, reaching a point when in the end it’s even the big honchos themselves appearing on the screen: Lucifer, the creator of demons; Eve, the mother of all monsters; and Leviathan, something that’s older and supposedly more powerful than anything the Winchesters have encountered before.

    This saddens me because with such an increasing “sensationalism” (for the lack of a better word), I think it’s only too natural, almost pre-programmed that the series would eventually lose its focus on what has it made so great to begin with: the profound, PROFOUND bond between Sam and Dean that has delighted and captivated us full-force already in the very first episode.

    And now I’ve written enough…

    Your turn. Do I make ANY sense? ö_ö

    Comment by Aero — March 24, 2012 @ 2:46 am

  62. Johno @29 is right: Less is better in most cases, and this script just had too much in it.

    The insertion of Meg (and the actress is losing her looks fast) and Meg’s snarkiness, I thought, took the intensity of Dean and Cas meeting again away, as did the schizophrenic intercutting of Dean, Cas, and Meg scenes back and forth with Sam in the mental ward.

    I have no idea why Cas’s wife, Daphne, was inserted in the story. Totally unncessary, I think.

    And then inserting Sam’s ghost story in the middle of a psychotic break was silly. Sam was supposed to be near death, yet he is competent enough to save a damsel in distress. Pure SG Sam fangirling again, and what it succeeded in doing was taking the intensity all of the intensity of Sam dying AND Dean rushing to help him away.

    Then again, the schizophrenic intercutting of Dean giving Cas his trench coat and Sam in peril from the electric shock treatments managed to downplay both moments.

    And while I love to see SPN demons any time, introducing Crowley and the demons at this stage of the game and Meg’s ongoing problem with Crowley, when they haven’t paid due attention to the Levi story at all this whole season, just crowds the playing board. I’m guessing that is supposed to show that the brothers are Butch and Sundance and on the run from all sides, but it crowded the episode and took away a lot of the emotional impact the episode should have had.

    While I didn’t dislike the episode, I will say that I wished Robbie Thompson would be doing the finale, instead of Sera. Her’s, these days, are mostly fangirling fanfics, and I much prefer some of the other writers on the show.

    Comment by Sheri — March 24, 2012 @ 3:05 am

  63. Aero, I couldn’t agree more with you about Season 6. I’m a big fan of that season and feel it was much better than this season! There is an aimlessness about this season. Everything has been filler. Sam’s hallucinations didn’t have any impact until the last two episodes, and Dean’s angst wasn’t really resolved. I assume he still hates hunting. And the Leviathans are barely seen. It’s all been bad.

    The episode are “all right” to me, but there was a time when I thought the episodes were excellent. The show used to be tighter. For me, Season 5 was the downfall. Season 6 had too many plots but was much better than Season 5. I had high hopes for Season 7 after 7.01 and 7.02, but the Amy debacle showed the season was a mess. We’re 15, 16 episodes in, and there’s no plot.

    There’s not much I’m interested in for the rest of the season.

    Comment by Lisa1 — March 24, 2012 @ 4:31 am

  64. Aero: Very good post.
    Sheri: Some very good points.

    Once again, as has been all season, we had an episode that could have been- and should have been- so vital and so important to the characters, to the plot, to the fans turned into a rather average one with a missing dosage of feeling and a major absence of impact.

    The implausible storyline with Sam in the mental institute should have been thrown out the window to instill the necessary- and understandable- feeling of desperation. There was no desperation throughout the entire story- not from Dean and not from Sam.

    When Dean was making his phonecalls- completely alone for the first time in his life- there should have been a clear sense of fear, anger, anguish, exhaustion, desperation. There wasn’t. Instead there was a sequence of calls with Dean scratching his head, drinking beer, and sighing.

    When Sam was in the hospital- after days of sleeplessness and the physical tramua of being hit by a car- there is no way in (here it comes) HELL that he would be able to even communicate with another person, nevermind rescue her from a ghost. We didn’t need that ridiculous storyline and it definitely took away from the feelings of his circumstances. Instead the hospital scenes could have focused on Sam’s physical deterioating condition- which would have built the necessary (but lacking) sense of desperation that was essential to the episode.

    We should have felt Dean’s “I’ll-do-whatever-I-have-to” emotions here. When he burst into the doctor’s office in determined, angry, panicked mode- that should have stayed throughout the episode. It disappeared.

    And because of what was supposed to be the shocking appearence of Castiel, Meg shouldn’t have come in until the very end of the episode. Her appearance wouldn’t have taken away from Cas’s and, just when the air was going out of the episode (Cas sitting in the hospital room, Sam and Dean driving away), Meg could have had the very same scene she did getting her job…and fully left us with surprise and that huge what-the-hell feeling which, sadly, never came in this particular episode.

    Instead we are left with scenes of “Garth” (a Wayne’s World rip-off) and his inane humor and lack of hunter credibility for next week.

    Ho hum. Ho hum.

    This could have been the biggest episode of the season- or at least the most vital. Instead it was an average show that could have been written for almost any season.

    Still, Jared did a good job in his role and it was nice to have Misha back.

    Now we need Dean to be reunited with his Impala so he can finally have an ally and get back on the damn road already. He and I both need that to happen soon.

    Comment by SL — March 24, 2012 @ 4:47 am

  65. @ SL: I sure do agree about saving Meg until the end and having the exact same scene. That would have been suspenseful and had everyone waiting impatiently for next week to see what was going on.

    And this: “Now we need Dean to be reunited with his Impala so he can finally have an ally and get back on the damn road already.”

    Are we to believe that Dean has drug that trench coat all over the country, changing it from trunk to trunk because of his longing loneliness for Cas, while the damned Imapla is stuck somewhere. I’m really getting pissed off about the Impala, because the reason it was stuffed away in the first place — the Levi after the brothers so they have to be so far off the grid that nobody can find them — hasn’t worked for this season at all. They’re still in motels, anybody who wants to find them has found them (except the Levi), so I call bullshit on the missing Impala.

    What I need to happen remains the same; Dean going totally berserk while massive slaughtering.

    Comment by Sheri — March 24, 2012 @ 5:09 am

  66. Aero and SL, very good posts.

    Comment by inky — March 24, 2012 @ 5:16 am

  67. SL, very good post! I couldn’t agree more w/you except I think Garth is fine. This episode could have been really good, but like almost all the episodes this season, it just wasn’t.

    Comment by Lisa1 — March 24, 2012 @ 5:48 am

  68. Sheri,

    I so agree with you about the trench coat. I get that he kept it as a reminder of his friend. He kept Bobby’s flask after all. But the idea that he has transferred it from trunk to trunk instead of storing it with the Impala is a bit too much. Just in case he runs into Cas. It’s very fan service-y in the worst way because it doesn’t make sense. There was a line cut from the show that was in the promo where Dean says something like, “I always knew you’d come back.” I think it’s a good thing–much like the dialogue in Slash Fiction that was changed because it was too soapy.

    And to reference another comment, yes, it does rankle a little that Dean keeps the flask and the muddy bloody trench coat but the necklace is nowhere to be seen. Although he did keep Sam…

    Comment by inky — March 24, 2012 @ 5:52 am

  69. I’ve stated what I think did not work in this episode, so let me state what I think did work.

    As much as I’ve been lukewarm about the return of Cas, because I HATE to even think the angel storyline is coming back, I think this episode did showed how Cas adds to the show. I qualify this, of course, with the expectation that he is NOT going to be a fix-all once again where the brothers can’t do anything without Cas stepping in.

    I really liked Cas and Dean’s interaction in this one with them stepping around Dean’s hurt and Cas not remembering. Once again, though, it seems when Cas and Dean are together, Sam has to be sidelined, and that was an issue I had with Cas in S5 and, especially glaring in S6 where Sam became the mute third brother.

    Another thing I think worked is Cas taking on Sam’s…I don’t know exactly what it was…memories? hellpain? (It couldn’t have been part of Sam’s soul that was left in Luci’s dog bowl, because souls can’t be separated — only flayed).

    This was an insta-fix w/o being an insta-fix, and as much as I hope I don’t spend two episodes seeing Cas with hellucinations, I think that was a good way for Cas to get redemption without Dean kissing and making up instantly.

    And I agree with inky in having that awful line cut. Too soapy for me, so I’m glad it was left on the cutting room floor.

    Another thing I thought the show overstepped was in all the spoilers for this episode. Those pretty much gave away everything that happened in the episode, except for Cas taking Sam’s mental problem away.

    Comment by Sheri — March 24, 2012 @ 6:20 am

  70. That’s why I don’t like spoilers; they actually can ruin the show.

    Castiel is an angel so I just don’t see him having the same horrible experience with Lucifer as Sam had.

    I was very happy with the interaction between Dean and Castiel. It worked. Cas back as a SUPPORTING character would be a nice thing if we do get a new season.

    Comment by SL — March 24, 2012 @ 7:07 am

  71. We all have to remember that this is a tv show and not a movie. They don’t have the budget for big stunts and special effects. They have to try and do a lot more with a lot less. We need to be able to help them out a little by letting our imaginations do a little work. Let your imaginations run wild. Its fun.
    As for the issue of not dealing with the prior episodes issues,(like Frank), I believe this episode was supposed to air earlier in the season, like thirteen or fourteen. Jared tweeted a picture of himself in the electroshock head gear.
    Has for the ghost hunt in the ward. It worked for me. That is always what Sam does. When Jess and their father died he threw himself into work.
    When he is in pain he still tries to help others.
    Besides, it is not like he had to battle the ghost, he just burnt a bracelet.
    Lastly, Jensen and Jared are wonderful actors who can express so much with facial expressions. WE NEED TO BE MORE OBSERVANT!
    I love Supernatural and will watch it till the end, great and not so great episodes alike.

    Comment by MJ — March 24, 2012 @ 7:32 am

  72. WTF is Sera doing to my show…she is killing the only show I’ve been with since episode 1, first she makes Cass evil, then kills him, then kills Bobby just when he was about to find some love in the crazy world he lived in, and speaking of which, what’s up with the bros not getting any love on the road??????????, I’m really really starting to dislike her Kripke, please please come save my show, I can’t take much more, she putting band aids on story arcs that could be great, she is murdering my show, this show as the capacity to be on for a good 10 seasons…but the way its going, it would not be a shock if its cancelled after this season b/c Sera effectively threw the show in the garbage can…*tears mixed with an incredible amount of ANGER…Kripke Please please please come save the boys!!!!

    Comment by longtimeSupnatty fan — March 24, 2012 @ 7:33 am

  73. I’m kinda torn on this episode. In my opinion this has been the best episode of this season. I feel that because there is too much jumping between arcs and so much filler this season, there are too many conflicts left unresolved. I don’t think this whole “quick fix” thing was to close the Sam or Demons&Angels arcs. I feel that they left too much hanging in the balance for a continuation of the storyline.

    Misha, Jared, and Jensen did wonderful jobs. None of them were really off. Dean is showing how broken and numb he is lately. He’s trying to distance himself from the situation to hide it. And just like he never really forgave Castiel, I don’t think he really patched things up with Sam ever since the whole releasing Lucifer incident. They haven’t been as close as they were before that point, and I would like a return to their strong, brotherly bond. I felt that Castiel actually redeemed himself here since he royally fucked up last season. Once he regained his memories, I knew he was going to do whatever it took to do something for Sam. I just wish all this crap wouldn’t happen to Sam all the time. I just hope he can move past this with no guilt or regret.

    This episode was just too rushed and nothing was truly resolved here, but it was still pretty good. Hopefully the leviathan menace is eradicated soon, and they do something about Crowley. I just have this inkling that all these little arcs will intertwine in the next or last season. Season 7 seems like a shitload of filler for a possibly bigger plot for the next season (IF we get a season 8).

    Regardless of what happens, I will always love supernatural even if the plot pisses me off at times.

    Comment by Momo — March 24, 2012 @ 7:36 am

  74. I really don´t know what to make of this episode and season. It all just doesn´t seem to make any sense.
    Come on SG!Are the Levis good ( they cure cancer and then leave), evil/bad ( all that cancer crap is a lie) or a little bit of both ( they only want to cure cancer so their food is healthy)?
    What about Crowley and his plans, depressiv Dean and Bobby? And now since Cass and Meg are back Sam and Dean have to deal with them too,plus instead of fixing the Lucy problem,it gets transfered making it even bigger in my opinion because what I understand is this: Sams soul was in hell. Together with the devil. The devil (maybe Michael too) tortured Sams soul so now it is damaged beyond repair. A soul for me is what makes everyone of us humans unique. So of cause the Psyche and psychological problems are closely related with the soul….
    Sams biggest fear has always been that he is not human, that he is evil. So it makes completly sense that Lucifer made Sams soul belive, that he can not run away from evil. That Lucifer is indeed his bunk buddy who will always stay at his side. It was a brilliant idea. But instead of making it perfectly clear, that Sams soul is only beliving that Luci is up and kicking, we,or at least I, get the impression that there is more. Luci seems way to powerfull and independend and (as we see when Castiel takes him over) not only attached directly to Sam and his soul. I mean angels don´t have a soul so there can´t be any magic that Cas simply takes over and then Casses soul belives…
    And it also can´t be that Castiel take in the ill part of Sams soul. Then it would more be like Castiel belives he is Sam and Luci is his bunk buddy…
    So if Luci is indeed not an imagination but really exists and acts on his own he must have put some part of himself in Sams soul or worse. That is completly different than just confusing the soul. That means whatever it is, it is dangerous and has to be dealt with too. No insteant fix here.!!! ( it that was it, i am gonna be really pissed)
    Can Lucifer come out of it somehow? If Sam had died what would have happend with Luci? And now he is inside Castiel. That is way more dangerous because Castiel has way more power than Sam.And all the Winchesters do is leave him….WTH
    So problems over problems. How is the show going to handle all this. I thought with the appearence of Castiel all the mist would clear up a little bit but it made everything more complicated that easier.

    Comment by Naughty — March 24, 2012 @ 7:37 am

  75. @ Naughty (#74):

    We don’t know what Lucifer did with Sam’s soul. It could be that he somehow cast some kind of curse on it, on the off chance that he somehow manages to escape.

    That could explain why Castiel was able to just “shift” the mental illness and transfer Lucifer to himself.

    I think it’s possible. However, if that’s the case, then I really believe the writers should have established that a little better. And I’m not talking about flat out revealing that, but at least a bit more than just what one could interpret as an expression of realization on Castiel’s face.

    But, well, how MJ (#71) pointed out correctly, why not use our imagination on that one? ;D

    Comment by Aero — March 24, 2012 @ 8:06 am

  76. Bad news: Supernatural fell to a series low. 1.57 viewers, 0.6 demo.

    Comment by Sara — March 24, 2012 @ 8:17 am

  77. i am from Iran.but i follow supernatural.i adore jensen.unfortunatlly i didn’t start watching season7.
    i have a question:
    is season 7 the end?

    Comment by FATIMA — March 24, 2012 @ 8:42 am

  78. People can point to everything Dean has gone through to explain why he acts in the manner he does, but that doesn’t make me like it.
    I love Cas, but Gamble has really ruined any enjoyment I might have in this series with how she’s handled all the characters.
    I just don’t like the brothers much and Cas has been butchered. I blame this on Gamble as show runner.
    It’s not entertaining to watch this emotionally-crippled Dean. I’m not a Sam-girl so his occupying center-stage at all times doesn’t interest me. And I would have preferred they allowed Cas to leave with dignity and grace and some measure of happiness then this crap the show is shoveling.

    Sera tried to pack too much into one episode. And the editing was garbage as I do think there was some awesome potential that fell flat.

    I just don’t think the show is worth watching. I might watch when Cas is on again, but seeing as how I’m always being disappointed, I might not.

    Comment by erb — March 24, 2012 @ 9:12 am

  79. You think it’s low this week, wait until next. I’ve noticed when a lot of viewers are disappointed, the following week pays for it in the ratings.

    As for this one, I’m going to sound bitter. Fair warning.

    What the heck was THAT? All season long we’re told (in interviews, tellingly, not on screen) to expect Sam’s Big Wall story. ‘It’ll be like Inception! Sam can’t tell reality from hallucination.’ It’s finally here, and I don’t know what happened! Cas absorbing CRAZY…that’s the stupidest thing since soulless!Sam not requiring sleep.

    The ghost story was utterly pointless, on top of being unbelievable. It took five minutes away from the SUPPOSED A plot, which was Sam’s insanity and near-death. After a whole season wondering, “what’s the point in Lucifer tormenting Sam’s mind? Is it him? Is it Sam’s subconscious? Is it memories from the Cage overwhelming him?” we now know…nothing more than we did in 7×02. Why was “Lucifer” keeping Sam awake? Was it a memory of something done to him in Hell? Was Lucifer trying to get him to DO something? What was the point?

    Apparently, there wasn’t one.

    Why did the demon try to kill Sam? Sam knew nothing of Castiel’s return. Kicks? I guess so.

    If nothing else, this episode should have been a two-parter. They squeezed two or three episodes worth of subplots into 42 minutes, and the result was a mess. If only they had an extra episode this season that they might have used for a Part 2.

    Oh wait! That’s right! They did have one. They spent it on Becky. I forgot. :/

    Comment by G-Dawg — March 24, 2012 @ 9:26 am

  80. @ Naughty: SG f’d up the soul thing from the very beginning and by the looks of this episode, she doesn’t know how to fix it. I don’t think we’re going to get any further answers as to what it means, whether Luci is attached to Sam’s soul or if his hellucinations were something his mind just made up. I hope that they weren’t something that Sam just made up, because that would mean his subconscious mind doesn’t think very highly of Dean (calling him Saint Dean and other various references).

    Cas, however, should be able to handle those memories better, him being an angel and not having experienced the torture first hand. Memories, or bad dreams, really shouldn’t be able to harm him in any way. He should be able to just ignore Luci, like Sam did in the beginning. I believe, however, that we’ll see something more on that in the next two episodes, since Cas is supposed to have a 3-episode arc (maybe more). Or maybe they’ll address it more in S8.

    As far as letting our imagination fill in the blanks, fans should not have to do that when watching a show. Questions and/or problems that are brought up should be answered. SG has built a reputation for ‘uneven plotting,’ and that is because she just drops things or doesn’t address them explicitly enough so that fans understand.

    One example of this is at the beginning of the season when Sam said he doesn’t feel guilty about anything anymore, because he paid his dues. All that did was stunt any character growth Sam’s character should have had for the really terrible things he did while soulless, especially to his brother. That also was a lost opportunity to strengthen the brother bond in this season that was so fractured in S6.

    As far as ratings, I’m not surprised. The Hunger Games opened Thursday at midnight, so I fully expected lower numbers. Maybe the Live + 7 DVR viewing will increase that. It’s also a very nice Spring, and numbers usually drop off in the Spring. It’s too bad, because we are getting good TV from the show.

    @ #77: FATIMA: We don’t know yet if S7 is the last season. It’ll probably be close to May before renewal is announced. Everyone is expecting an 8th season, though, since SPN ratings are doing better than the CW as a whole and since SPN is the 2nd highest rated show on the network (with Vampire Diaries being 1st).

    Comment by Sheri — March 24, 2012 @ 9:26 am

  81. I don’t know how some people can like the Sam insta-fix when Jared himself said he wanted to see Sam suffer just for a bit longer than the one episode written about it

    Comment by katylin — March 24, 2012 @ 9:28 am

  82. I agree with @katylin. I wanted to see more suffering and for Sam to pull through on his own.

    Apparently the writers want to do a “back-to-basics” approach with the next season so it looks like seasons 1-3 instead of 4-6. If they want to do that Gamble needs to step it up and allow all issues to be resolved. And if she REALLY wanted to do that, she should have started 14 episodes ago instead of waiting until the near-end of the season, and not create an even more obscure and convoluded plot. I guess they’re trying too hard to appeal to various sectors of the fanbase while trying to provide comic relief for all the deaths in recent episodes, but no one is remotely content.

    Comment by Momo — March 24, 2012 @ 9:47 am

  83. Well said, @MoMo, Well Said

    Comment by katylin — March 24, 2012 @ 10:01 am

  84. Wow, what a failure this was. Where do I even start?

    First off, I LOVED Jared’s performance as crazy!Sam but we should’ve seen that through the whole episode not for only a few minutes and being interrupted by a hunt. Completely unrealistic and unbelieveable. So the guy is dying, hasn’t slept in days yet is still strong enough to hunt, let alone even stand up? Not to mention, NO PSYCH WARD would have a picture frame on the wall, glass of water, pitcher, and a bunch of other breakable freestanding objects that could easily be used as weapons to hurt themselves or others.

    The whole soul thing has been a mess since the get go. It just doesn’t make sense. So Cas now has Lucifer in his head? How does he have the same hallucinations as Sam? Very confusing.

    I think what some people are seeing here about Dean is that for once Dean is the Sam in this episode- doing all the action and not getting much of a read on his POV or emotions except for facial expressions.

    This storyline really was just rushed too much. THey tried to fit too much in one episode and it just turned out sloppy and a giant mess. The insta-fix was irritating as well but I had prepared myself for that. And I have to ask is this the real reason Cas was brought back? Just to fix Sam and take his hallucinations on? At this point, I don’t really see Cas’ relevance other than healing Sam but I’m sure they’ll try to give him something to do.

    And of course next week we move on to the funny episodes because apparently that’s the only way to lighten it up after heavy episodes according to their logic. Ugh, this was pretty much the only interest I had in the story this season and it was a disaster.

    Comment by Sara — March 24, 2012 @ 10:23 am

  85. Since Castiel is an angel- and knows it now- why doesn’t he take his brother Lucifer up to Heaven and deal with him there? Why is Castiel trapped at all? He is an Angel not a human. Doesn’t make sense.

    I agree that the entire issue of Sam’s mental collapse was a waste of time. The showrunner presented it at the end of last season and the beginning of this season as a MAJOR issue that will take over the focus of the boys. Really? Let’s see: Sam sees Lucifer in his head so he rubs his hand and lucifer goes away for awhile. But, eventually, the scar on his hand heals so Lucifer comes back and does a stand-up comic routine that would drive ANYONE crazy! This is the devil we are talking about and the best he can do is crack some irritating jokes, play with string and toss firecrackers. This is the BIG THREAT that Sam accidentally released upon the world? Really?

    Ho Hum.

    So…Sam gets no sleep and goes running off in the night, gets smashed by a car and ends up in a mental health ward. Where he kills a ghost and rescues a fair maiden while suffering from dehydration, malnutrition and rapidly failing organs.

    The Cas returns, touches Sam’s head, and- ZAP- Sam is back on his feet and running again- only this time with his mental health intact. ZIP ZAP That is That.

    This was the MAJOR problem Sam was going to “battle”? And why didn’t Michael also interact with Sam after he got back from the box? Afterall Michael was supposedly batting Sam around like a ping pong ball also- for years and years and years!

    A Flat story went flat line. Hope it is finally over.

    Maybe Dean and Sam will exchange some laughter in next week’s “Garth” episode. That would be refreshing (although completely unrealistic).

    And I do use my imagination whenever I watch this show. I have to because this genre is definitely a fantasy to me. I am not looking for drama but I am not looking for a soap-opera or a comedy either.

    I would like to see the Impala back and Dean and Sam in it and Dean kicking some damn demon and leviathan ass for once. I want to see the end of Crowley and Lucifer- send them both back to hell and let them fight each other there. And I want this nothing leviathan story to go back into the trash can it came out of so the show can return to what has made it so enjoyable since episode 1- Dean and Sam Winchester hunting and killing evil things together.
    Boy, do I miss that.

    Comment by SL — March 24, 2012 @ 12:00 pm

  86. Fringe ratings were at their lowest point, too, as was SPN, and viewing across the networks was down. Nikita went up a tenth, though, over previous week.

    Obviously, the NCAA tournament and The Hunger Games hurt. Obvious also is that Cas’s return didn’t help, as I expect the show wished.

    I didn’t think the episode was terrible, but it was a hot mess, as SG has a tendency to do. At least all the players are on the board now and maybe we’ll dive deep into the mytharc now. We’ve all waited a long time for that.

    Comment by Sheri — March 24, 2012 @ 12:11 pm

  87. I think it’s ridiculous to blame the low ratings on the NCAA and/or The Hunger Games. Back when Supernatural was good, it could hold-up well against Lost and The World Series. If anything, it’s the lackluster season 7 plot that’s been keeping fans away.

    Note that last night was, in fact, a series LOW for Supernatural. Notice also that the show’s overall viewership numbers are now on par with Nikita’s. Plus, the half-hour ratings for both Supernatural and Nikita were both a .5. Further, a rerun of Grimm scored better.

    Even if Supernatural’s final ratings are adjusted up (which is likely), there can be no doubt that Supernatural is losing viewers.

    Comment by JJA — March 24, 2012 @ 12:58 pm

  88. I was prepared to dislike this one, not looking forward to Castiel’s return–but I liked it, liked it very much in fact.
    I was fearful the whole Castiel redemption plot would be him getting back in Dean’s good graces, but it was not. Sera actually made it clear Castiel’s problem was in general harming people and the specific example, maiming Sam–that it was those things for which he had to seek forgiveness. Making Castiel exchange disability with Sam was appropriate. And, Dean did not put making up with his friend before saving Sam. And, Castiel was clearly a supporting character in the episode, not its focus.
    I thought Ackles carried his side of the story especially well. He switched marvelously from action hero to concerned brother, to snarky Dean with Meg, to pained friend, to focused hunter at the end. I also liked Sam with the girl he helped rid herself of her brother’s ghost. It reinforced that the Winchesters are strong men and hunters–even at the absolute lowest, they can carry on their craft and save people.
    Would like to see all the things SL put in the last paragraph of 85.
    The rating of a .6 is a major disappointment. CW had promoted this episode for a long time and the big audience for Cas’s Return didn’t show. Rather than a big bump up, it scored a season low. I haven’t seen the half-hours so don’t know if it had a larger audience and it degraded over time or if it began weak and stayed that way. If it gets much lower, and SPN has always gone down considerably once good weather returns in the US, I fear for a season 8.
    Overall, looking forward to the last episodes. I have a feeling Dean’s going to get his action role back, and I’m pleased to have a whole Sam returned.

    Comment by CaseyT — March 24, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

  89. It will be interesting to see the dvr numbers when they come out. Did Hunger Games, College BB and spring break play this big of a factor? Did disgruntled Supernatural fans tune in for the Grimm rerun instead? Things that make you go hmmmm.

    Comment by jace — March 24, 2012 @ 1:47 pm

  90. Just saw the half hours: it went up from .5 to .6. Guess it wasn’t appointment tv, but proved better than some other offerings as the hour went on.

    Comment by CaseyT — March 24, 2012 @ 1:47 pm

  91. @ JJA: You won’t get disagreement from me. SG totally screwed the pooch in S6 and carried that over to S7. She should be writing for Vampire Diaries, or some other such dark romantic show. I think the fans want action against a horror back drop. That’s why I keep saying I’m up for some good slaughtering any time now.

    @ CaseyT: Yes, I think Cas isn’t the valued character draw they expected him to be.

    I, too, am expecting Dean to get his mojo back. Despite his depressed state all season, the show has repeatedly shown him as the leader, the one the Levi are interested in, and on a downhill slide all season. I expect for that to have a payoff in the end.

    Comment by Sheri — March 24, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  92. “Since Castiel is an angel- and knows it now- why doesn’t he take his brother Lucifer up to Heaven and deal with him there? Why is Castiel trapped at all? He is an Angel not a human. Doesn’t make sense.” – SL (#85)

    It hasn’t occurred to me so far. That’s indeed a very good question.

    Maybe Castiel doesn’t have the courage to return to Heaven. Whatever’s left of the heavenly host probably wouldn’t be all too thrilled to welcome the angel who’s released the Leviathan onto the world.

    That in itself might not be that tragic for the angels, for most of them don’t like humans that much anyway, but who says that the Leviathan won’t find a way into Heaven once they’re finished with humankind? After all, I don’t think God sealed them away in purgatory for no reason.

    “I agree that the entire issue of Sam’s mental collapse was a waste of time. The showrunner presented it at the end of last season and the beginning of this season as a MAJOR issue that will take over the focus of the boys. Really? Let’s see: Sam sees Lucifer in his head so he rubs his hand and lucifer goes away for awhile. But, eventually, the scar on his hand heals so Lucifer comes back and does a stand-up comic routine that would drive ANYONE crazy! This is the devil we are talking about and the best he can do is crack some irritating jokes, play with string and toss firecrackers. This is the BIG THREAT that Sam accidentally released upon the world? Really?” – SL (#85)

    I don’t think it’s so much that the scar on his hand has healed, but rather the fact that he’s allowed Lucifer into his mind. Whatever that even means… it doesn’t make much sense when I think about it now, considering the lack of evidence that could lead us to believe that Lucifer has been anything more than just a hallucination.

    “So…Sam gets no sleep and goes running off in the night, gets smashed by a car and ends up in a mental health ward. Where he kills a ghost and rescues a fair maiden while suffering from dehydration, malnutrition and rapidly failing organs.” – SL (#85)

    In my opinion the one big flaw in this episode.

    “This was the MAJOR problem Sam was going to “battle”? And why didn’t Michael also interact with Sam after he got back from the box? Afterall Michael was supposedly batting Sam around like a ping pong ball also- for years and years and years!” – SL (#85)

    I think the key word is “supposedly”; I might be wrong, but I don’t think we’ve ever had that really confirmed. Balthazar and Castiel have implied something like that (on several occasions, I think), but in the end they couldn’t really have known, could they?

    Comment by Aero — March 24, 2012 @ 2:12 pm

  93. Sheri–if you haven’t seen this, Singer recently on if they get a season 8 on a question about so much angst in SPN.

    “I think we’d be well served to get back to where this whole thing started — as we used to say, saving people and killing things.”–Singer, InsideTV

    Comment by CaseyT — March 24, 2012 @ 2:19 pm

  94. I do think it is sad that an episode as hyped as this one was so low rated. A series low even. Ouch.

    Comment by jace — March 24, 2012 @ 2:20 pm

  95. IMO, this season has not delivered on any of the promise from the last season. Those who were expecting to see Castiel as the new enemy the boys had to fight were likely disappointed after the beginning of 7.02. Those who were hoping to see Sam’s downward spiral into madness were likely disappointed after 7.04. Those who were hoping to see Dean involved in the actual plot or who were hoping he’d get the “non-emotional” storyline this year were likely disappointed.

    I recognize that people are watching shows in different ways, but I do think there is some merit to the belief that the show is losing its audience.

    I will likely watch until the end, but not all viewers are like that. There are definitely shows I stopped watching during their runs b/c I was so disappointed in them. That could be happening w/this show.

    I am not enjoying this season at all. It’s all over the place and is very aimless, IMO. I hope there is some better planning next season, and if the current creators are all out of ides, then please just end the show. No need to put out a bad product though I fully recognize others may still enjoy it. I don’t feel like the writers are putting in their best effort so why drag it out?!?!


    Comment by Lisa1 — March 24, 2012 @ 2:43 pm

  96. I have to almost laugh at Robert Singer’s “plan” for next season. That should have been the plan for THIS season! Once Kripke turned the reins over to Gamble the winning formula that kept this show on a high road was thrown in a ditch and left behind.

    I truly want a Season 8 and I know that the actors do also.

    Gamble has hurt this show so badly that it may just not get the chance to go back to what it should have been all along.

    And boy will I miss this show if she killed it.

    Comment by SL — March 24, 2012 @ 2:56 pm

  97. SL–Sera recently on the last part of this season and the Leviathans.

    “And every time they’re stuck, they’re extra frustrated because they would have called Bobby. Emotionally, I think that’s very much underneath the thrust of the upcoming episodes in terms of the Leviathans.”–Give Me My Remote

    Even the Levi story is about the emotional impact on the guys. The emo is the message.–that’s Sera

    Comment by CaseyT — March 24, 2012 @ 3:14 pm

  98. Too much emotion, not enough action. I truly hope she has not killed my favorite show.

    Comment by SL — March 24, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

  99. SG is absolutely the wrong showrunner for SPN, and that was quite evident from the first episode in S6. You’d think she would have learned from that season that her idea for the ‘new direction’ of the show wasn’t appreciated by the fans. No fan camp was happy, as I recall the outright and very focal calls for her to step down. I think everyone wanted action, not more emo. And I think everyone wanted the brothers acting like they were heroes, not crying in their personal problems.

    She has totally taken away the core of the show; the brothers’ bond, and has replaced that with nothing. The brothers really don’t even act like best buddies, let alone devoted brothers, anymore.

    I seriously don’t know where her head is, but I hope Robert Singer has a say in how next season goes, given that quote you provided CaseyT. I’ve said it since the beginning of this season…mental illness and depression are not supernatural stories. They are just human conditions. SG has given us no real story this season…well, she’s teased with the Levi, but so far they have just been bad one percenters.

    She’s teased with GhostBobby, and I for one am going to be pissed if that’s all that sub-plot turns out to be. That is so predictable, it’s yawn worthy.

    I am so ready for murder, meyhem, slaughter, playing for keeps brothers. I liked that in S3. I know we won’t get it this season, but like SL, I hope they get a S8 chance. I’ll miss the show when it’s gone, too.

    Comment by Sheri — March 24, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  100. I saw Singer’s interview comments as well. Trouble is, they’ve all been saying that ever since Season 4 ended! Kripke said that in Season 5 Sam and Dean will work out their problems and work together as brothers to stop Lucifer. Didn’t happen. Season 6: Sera and Kripke say that Sam and Dean will have to work together to figure out this big, mysterious film noir arc. Didn’t happen. Heck, (real)Sam was AWOL until Episode 11. Season 7: Sera says that Sam and Dean will have to hit the road and go back to their roots, like outlaws, Butch and Sundance and will have to work together to stop the Leviathans. So, what do you think guys? Has that happened?

    Now, Singer says that Season 8 will get back to its roots. It hasn’t happened yet. They keep saying it, though.

    Comment by G-Dawg — March 24, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

  101. @23 Maria, it was NOT me that said “I felt like Jensen wasn’t all in…like maybe he didn’t want Collins back” Go back and give credit where credit is due.

    I agree with those that said Dean seemed “off”, or maybe he just doesn’t know the appropriate reaction because he can’t get mad at someone who doesn’t remember his awful crimes and and the same time he doesn’t want Cas to remember because typical Cas will just run away and hide his head in the sand, which is what he almost did. Cas was “oh no, I did all these horrible things and broke your brother, whaaa, I’m leaving!” Without even trying to fix Cas. And then Dean pulled that magic trenchcoat. Oh please, that’s all it takes?

    Overall I’m very pleased that Cas finally is suffering Sam’s pain, given how Cas is the cause of Sam’s sufferings. I still can’t believe Cas in season 6 had the audacity to tell Dean to leave Sam in hell just so Cas can have his alpha-hunter. So it’s all the more appropriate that Cas now suffers from his own actions/advices to Dean.

    Comment by Lee — March 24, 2012 @ 5:47 pm

  102. The acting in this one really was the high-point. Jared, Jensen AND Misha were all VERY impressive. As much as I don’t want Castiel back in season 8 (because he WILL be used as a crutch), I think he was actually the best part of this episode. Misha really proved to me that he really can act, and his Castiel in this episode was an admirable one, not because of the writing, which in my opinion was almost cringe-worthy (the trench-coat? really?) but because of Misha. His approach to the character in this episode removed almost all of the problems that I’ve had with the character in the last few seasons. Almost. He was once again used to deal with tasks that the writers felt were beyond Dean’s capabilities. Are we supposed to believe that Dean and Meg couldn’t handle 5 or so demons in order to get the healer through to save Sam’s life? Come on! Where are the weapons from whatever vehicle they were driving?!! On that topic, when was the last time we actually SAW Dean with his shotgun, and Sam with the pistol and the flashlight?

    I’m not one for holding onto grudges. What Castiel did in S6 was terrible, but the redemption arc here was far too instantaneous. It felt forced. I don’t forgive Castiel because it’s what the Sera and the writers WANT me to do.

    So much for the ratings, eh? I suppose it’s fitting really. They brought Castiel back in an attempt to solidify chances of a season 8, and it’s back-fired. I honestly don’t think Supernatural DESERVES a season 8, and I don’t think Sera and some of the writers DESERVE the pay-check, and the chance to work on Supernatural for another year. For the most part, their writing is lazy, hackneyed, and uninspiring. Sorry, guys, but it is.

    One fitting example- Sam’s Lucifer hell-pain is exclusive to Sam. Only Sam had the experience of being tortured by Lucifer in the cage . We have been led to believe that his hallucinations are the direct result of time spent in that cage. Lucifer has been imprinted upon Sam’s mind. What’s really happening is that Sam is applying the reality of what happened in the cage with Lucifer to his present reality. Because he spent so much time in the cage, Sam’s mind is working to INCLUDE Lucifer in his life, not exclude him. What I mean by all this is that Lucifer is a figment of Sam’s imagination, and everything Lucifer does revolves around Sam. For these reasons, there’s absolutely no way that Lucifer could react to Castiel, or become orientated around Castiel. If anything the angel should be having hallucinations about Lucifer that are still appropriate to Sam. What has happened is one of the sloppiest examples of writing I’ve ever known, and the biggest literary mistake throughout Supernatural’s run. Unless of course, Lucifer is entirely real, which really would present another mistake of epic proportions: why would Lucifer drive Sam to death if he represents his only way out?

    What heck do they do in the writers room? How do mistakes of such proportions even make it to the screen? How was this shoddy idea proposed, and why did no one in the writer’s room counter it?

    It’s almost like the writers have a big book of pop culture, randomly picking out influences, and instead of expanding upon them, and providing some depth, they execute matters in the worst way possible.

    Sigh…I don’t knowy. Anyway, well done to the J’s and especially Misha. Great performance.

    Comment by Johno — March 24, 2012 @ 6:11 pm

  103. Simply put, I think the season 7 story is just BAD, and it’s dragging.

    If I were the CW network president, I’d ORDER the Supernatural writers to resolve ALL the season 7 storylines ASAP (and NOT end with a cliffhanger). Then, for season 8, I’d hire new writers and start with a whole new story from scratch.

    First scene for season 8 should be Sam & Dean in the Impala driving to a job. The story can develop from there.

    Comment by JJA — March 24, 2012 @ 8:38 pm

  104. Dean hasn’t been feeling anything much since Bobby died, he’s still not dealt with that and then the possibility of losing Sam, I think it was just to much for him.

    As far as the issue of them having the Miracle Cure for Sam, I was THRILLED that they did that, SOOOOOO over the Sam is cracking up thing. I like the Leviathan storyline. I thought the begining of this season felt a lot like the first couple of seasons it was nice for a couple of episodes to see Sam actually being happy and the boys just hunting. It went bad when they killed Bobby (WHAT THE HELL WAS SERA THINKING!!!) I still love this show but they need to fix that! I was glad to see Cas back and Its cool to see them working more demon action into the show.

    Comment by Amy — March 24, 2012 @ 10:19 pm

  105. Comment #102
    Crazy thought but, if you don’t like the show, don’t watch it!!

    Comment by Amy — March 24, 2012 @ 10:26 pm

  106. Now that castiel is suffering, he will get redemption, and hopefully sam and dean can forgive him, so they can team up again to defeat the leviathans.

    Comment by Cesar — March 24, 2012 @ 10:29 pm

  107. @ Amy #105: I see no reason for your post, since Johno has some good points and he is talking about the writing. Perhaps you could post something about why you liked the writing, if you did not agree with what he said.

    For instance, I recall a whole bunch of shooting demons with guns in 99 Problems. The demons are in hosts, and shooting the hosts doesn’t kill the demons, but it sure send them on their way. And, I remember that the brothers used to always carry holy water. I also remember Bobby, Sam and Dean crashing a car into a bar (Magnificent Seven) and a whole lot of holy water being thrown.

    It appears to me that Johno has a point in that Dean could have helped Cas by rushing in with holy water, at least. If he kept the trench coat in the trunk, I don’t know why he doesn’t have a little holy water in there, or a gun or two. So, yes, logically, Dean and Meg should not have been standing in the background while Cas took on five demons at once.

    What do you think Cas transferred to himself from Sam. I wouldn’t mind hearing your ideas on that, instead of telling someone not to watch who is making a valid point, and since I have no friggin’ clue…memories, part of his soul, the part of Luci that attached to Sam’s soul, Sam’s psychosis (can a mental illness be transferred)?

    Comment by Sheri — March 25, 2012 @ 3:22 am

  108. I, too, sat there and wondered why Dean was so hesitant to fight off the demons at the hospital(with or without help)since his brother was in there dying. Yep, the lack of holy water was another good point mentioned. Dean should have had some on him at all times and, if he did, would have easily taken out the demons in the convience store on his own. Instead he needed to be rescued (a season theme) by Meg.

    The sense of desperation and determination was totally lacking in this episode. I remember in the last episode of season 4 (sorry, the title slips my mind) when Dean was trapped in that room by Zacariah and Sam was out there with Ruby, Dean was so desperate to get to his brother that he punched Castiel in anger and tried to bash through the wall to get out of the room. Where was that anger/fear/desperation mode in this episode?
    It isn’t a question of the writers “putting in their best efforts”- this is their BEST effort!
    They don’t know the characters, they don’t know the history of the series, they don’t know the show.
    It’s like when Sera was given the reins of the show she called up all her unemployed pals and said “want to write some stories together”- and here we are.
    I love Supernatural and I want a Season 8. Someone connected to the show has to step up and rescue it before Sera and her pals kill it.

    Comment by SL — March 25, 2012 @ 4:18 am

  109. @ SL #108: Yeah, I’m kind of totally over Dean (who supposedly is armed to the teeth at all times, being the damsel in distress that needs saving by anything under the sun for the last two years. With no evidence whatsoever to base it on, my feelings are that SG hates Dean’s character and has ‘issues’ with JA. The show depicts Dean as the leader that everyone looks up to, yet he can’t make a significant kill. I call it ‘Dean baiting’ (little crumbs for the Dean fans) and it drives me NUTS.

    Comment by Sheri — March 25, 2012 @ 4:56 am

  110. Actually Sheri, I think you put your finger on it earlier: it’s about depression and mental illness–and both are an exploration of grief, the reactions and adjustments to loss: material and personal. So many of us look for some unifying story, narrative, or arc, but this is no longer an episodic adventure series, it is a psyc 101 study of grief and loss adjustment. The horror, hunting, monster aspect is simply a setting, a background, to look at personal psychological adjustment. Dean and Sam are separate characters of this psych study so they don’t really need to be connected; we are supposed to be following their individual reactions to loss. The genre of this study doesn’t matter (or cannon); it’s entirely secondary and could be done in a daytime soap or a medical show.
    I want to see how they react emotionally to things, but that’s become the whole point of the series. The SPN story is irrelevant.

    Comment by CaseyT — March 25, 2012 @ 6:35 am

  111. @ CaseyT: Exactly, CaseyT, and that’s SG’s stamp on the show. Unfortunately, she never thought through the fact that grief is a personal journey and, because of that, the brothers cannot be intimately connected.

    It’s the same old story as last season, in that she has put such emphasis on Bobby (as opposed to Cas) and are having the brothers react to his story (or death).

    She’s putting her ‘stamp’ on the show by taking away the very things that made it a unique, highly fought for series, by the fans…the core relationship and having the characters drive the plot, instead of being driven by the plot. She has been with the show since the beginning, and she knows better — she just doesn’t care.

    That’s why I say she should be writing for something like VD, where it’s all emo and teen angst.

    And I, for one, am going to be pissed if she just brings GhostBobby on board as a way to bring Bobby back. That would be so contrived. And I have no idea why she took the Impala away, since it hasn’t even been mentioned. If the show has such a low budget, they sure as hell are spending a lot of money on other vintage cars that could have been saved, as far as I am concerned.

    Comment by Sheri — March 25, 2012 @ 7:55 am

  112. “Obvious also is that Cas’s return didn’t help, as I expect the show wished.”

    @86 It isn’t “obvious” at all. All the ratings were down on Friday due to basketball and the Hunger Games premier.

    This episode is #4 on the list of Itunes downloads and #9 on Pirate Bay.

    Comment by Laura — March 25, 2012 @ 8:08 am

  113. # 113: It’s pretty obvious that Cas returning didn’t keep the show from having the lowest ratings in the history of the show, and no matter where it is at on the download charts, the advertisers don’t care about that one bit.

    Sure, all TV numbers were down (except Nikita, which went up), and there was a college basketball game on (and that happens every season), and it’s Spring, and The Hunger Games was a huge success, but that didn’t keep the Cas fans from choosing to watch the show and catch Hunger Games on Sat. night, or the cheaper Sat and Sun matinees.

    I think it’s safe to say that it is pretty obvious that Cas’ return didn’t have the effect of helping the numbers at all.

    That said, I still expect a S8 if the CW is still around, and thank God the show is on the CW, or it wouldn’t have made it this far.

    Comment by Sheri — March 25, 2012 @ 8:49 am

  114. I well imagine that Basketball games hurt the ratings. As soon as SPN was over, I switched over to watch the Kentucky game and after that another game. Just like I’ll watch the games this afternoon. Am still gonna rewatch the episode and see what I can gleam from it. A lot of people probably watched the games/movie and DVR’d the show to watch later. I’ve been known to that every once in awhile and I’m a die hard Fan.

    Comment by twinster — March 25, 2012 @ 8:53 am

  115. I love cas and do feel bad for him but remember this. Cas feels terrible and wants more than anything to have dean forgive him. Also dean is broken because of what cas did to him. I believe cas would give his life for dean’s forgiveness. You know god or meg or the boys will fix him. Especially sam. Even though dean was cas’s favorite sam always believed in cas even more than dean did at times. When cas recovers this will help to repair their bond. Also nobody is talking about bobby’s spirit and they help he gave. It is safe to say he didn’t go with the reaper.

    Comment by Sal — March 25, 2012 @ 9:21 am

  116. Sheri,

    I have seen you mention a few times that the things Lucifer was saying in Sam’s mind could be an example of what Sam really thinks of Dean. I just wanted to drop my two cents on that (which could be wrong or right… but make logical sense to me).
    I think the things lucifer keeps saying about Dean are the things Lucifer said while Sam was being tortured in hell. I think Sam is(was) having a mix of memories and thoughts he would actually have come to on his own part. I am sure Dean was used against Sam while in the cage – Lucifer would be stupid not to therefore putting him down constantly would be on the menu or Sam torture.

    Comment by Anneabell — March 25, 2012 @ 9:46 am

  117. I really loved this episode. I love Castiel, and it was so good seeing him again, but I always thought he worked better as a recurring character. I really felt making him a series regular was detrimental to the show, and particularly to the character of Sam. Castiel’s constant presence undermined Sam in three ways: he took away Sam’s role in the hunting partnership with Dean as researcher/detective. Sam didn’t need to do that anymore, because Castiel knew everything. Secondly, I really felt that his friendship with Dean diluted the relationship between the brothers – their relationship didn’t seem as important anymore now that Dean had someone he was closer to than Sam. And lastly his abhorrence of Sam in the beginning -if you’ll pardon the pun – ‘demonized’ Sam so much that a lot of fans found it really hard to relate to Sam after that. I felt this episode made up for all of that, as well as redeeming Cas, which I was happy about. He took responsibility for what he did, he sacrificed himself to save Sam and in doing so, validated Sam as a character again – because Cas deemed him deserving of being saved. I also don’t understand why people felt Dean was ‘off’ – he turned himself inside out trying to find someone to help his brother, went to get Emmanuel, put his own anger and sense of betrayal aside so that he could get Cas to Sam to fix him, and he accepted Cas’s sacrifice because he preferred having his brother back. And clearly Bobby’s ghost is still around and helping out (YAY!) I feel like all four characters are back to doing what they should be doing now. Loved it!

    Comment by Jessie — March 25, 2012 @ 9:51 am

  118. Despite the fact I don’t particularly like the character Castiel, I was really hoping for a boost in the ratings. It did not happen.
    I think there was a myth of a huge Castiel audience generated largely by on-line comments. Only a few diehard activists can dominate on-line comments; that group is obviously too few to make any ratings difference. For one of the few times in its history, CW promoted an episode; the media did multiple commentaries on Castiel’s return. The series sunk to an all-time low rating.
    Does competition explain the result? Sports programming has never seriously affected SPN ratings. The Hunger Games, OK some argument there. But, Nikita went up and Nikita is dependent on the Hunger Game demographic also.
    Could be the publicity of Castiel’s return turned off many regular SPN viewers. From the publicity, I expected a real Castiel dominated episode, and considered not watching, but DVRing it.(I watched and liked the episode.) It’s perfectly possible many tuned out because of a Castiel episode; I almost did.
    Except for a strong on-line core, Castiel has never demonstrated an ability to draw a big audience. The claim that early season 4 demonstrated that ability has always seemed bogus to me. People tuned in to see Dean, Dean Winchester return from hell, and the first few episodes of that season Castiel was a compelling character, but only as part of Dean’s story, not Castiel’s story.
    Ratings have been steadily downhill since Castiel became a large part of the series.
    The huge publicity for the opening episode of season 7, highlighting Castiel as God, produced a huge drop from previous season premier episodes–and now this hyped episode was a all-time series low. Castiel got many episodes and the central arc of season 6–lowest ratings, and critical reviews of the series.
    Some fans will undoubtedly explained away those ratings, but the case that there is a large SPN television audience for Castiel, who will actually watch the show because of that character being featured, is simply not reflected in the ratings. People tune in for the Winchester brothers; Castiel as a supporting character seems to do no harm, but Castiel as a featured player has been a consistent looser. Hope SPN will finally understand that.

    Comment by CaseyT — March 25, 2012 @ 10:05 am

  119. I think the feeling that “Dean was OFF somehow” is related to what someone said earlier about the sense of danger/desperation being absent here. I don’t know if that was an editing issue, or a writing issue. I *don’t* think it was the fault of any of the actors.
    If you go back and look at ‘Faith,’ or ‘When the Levee Breaks,’ there’s a definite sense of danger. Dean’s life was threatened and Sam was desperate to find something to fix him. Sam’s life was in danger and Dean was determined to see his “detox” through.
    Here, I don’t think the danger could be felt. Sam’s supposed to be injured, tormented, and even close to dying…yet he managed to solve a hunt on his own (a ridiculous and unnecessary subplot), and withstood torture at the hands of a demon with a grudge without batting the proverbial eyelash.
    Dean’s supposed to be rushing Cas/Emmanuel back to save Sam’s life, yet he stops in a convenience store and then has a long, LONG talk with Meg like he’s just shooting the breeze. As others mentioned, they HAVE to get to Sam to save him, but Dean and Meg stand back and wait for Cas to fight off a horde of demons.
    Just seems like there was nothing URGENT about any of it. *shrug*

    Comment by G-Dawg — March 25, 2012 @ 10:05 am

  120. This episode sure brought on the comments! I thought is was a good episode-writing, acting, production, music, all the same high caliber. Jared Padalecki is a really good actor and he brought his talent with this epi. Jensen, to me, is always good.
    I thought Dean was a lot less emotional than I thought he would be with Sam’s problem and with Cas coming back. Some of that might be shock, some of it might be needing to keep steady to manipulate Cas to help Sam, some of it might be burn out. It has been several seasons since we have seen Dean cry – even his one perfect tear. He obviously is so burned out he can’t feel enough to cry. But he keeps on going. I might not know what the writers have in store for the guys – all 3 of them – but I trust them to come up with new and good story lines. Yes, Sam was saved – but that is part of the mythology – Sam and Dean are constantly saved. If they weren’t the show would be over. Meg will be a part of the Cas/Meg/Crowley story line while Dean/Sam work on the MOTW epi’s and hunt for Dick Roman.
    Love the little movements letting the audience believe that Bobbie is still around in some form and I loved the music. Good to hear some of the oldies.

    Comment by EireneS — March 25, 2012 @ 10:30 am

  121. @ CaseyT and G-Dawg: Totally agree with everything said. Cas as an occasional recurring, I can take, but the media blitz and hyping of the episode (to the point that almost everything was revealed) clearly demonstrates no draw. And the lack of any immediacy or impending doom, because of the crowded script and the skizoid flipping back and forth between Dean meeting Cas, introducing the demons through Meg, and Sam dying and Sam saving the damsel in distress was the reason. Nothing was focused on for more than a few minutes.

    I thought all the actors, except Meg (oh, how I miss Nikki Cox), did an amazing job with what they had to work with. It wasn’t JA that was off, it was the skitzoid script. He had multiple feelings (hopelessness, worry, shock, betrayal, weary, kid gloves so Cas wouldn’t take off, all mixed together and portray at the same time, and I thought he did extremely well with the screen time available. And he was dealing with demons coming after the brothers again (although I don’t quite know why the demons were at the mental institution or how they knew Sam was there).

    And don’t forget…Sam may be cured of his mental illness, but none of Dean’s issues have been addressed. He’s on automation, just putting one foot in front of the other.

    I’m actually amazed at the glowing reviews from bloggers the episode is getting. Sure, it wasn’t terrible, but I’m not seeing a great episode in this one. It was okay and had a lot of action…and Dean said “SOB,” once…and it got all the players out on the board, so I enjoyed it.

    Comment by Sheri — March 25, 2012 @ 10:54 am

  122. In terms of direction, they have done a few things now with the brothers to make us feel as if Bobby is there. First is the fact that Bobby never gave the reaper an answer. We didn’t see him choose, and we didn’t see him go anywhere. Next, we saw Dean’s bottle go from being full to completely empty in no time at all, and a sound was implemented into the scene to make the AUDIENCE, not the brothers, feel that Bobby was there. Then Sera claimed that Bobby is not really there at all, and it’s all in the brothers minds and their way of overcoming Bobby’s death. Either they planned on having Bobby as a ghost, but then pulled away from that idea, or Sera is being coy and we’ll see more ghostly happenings between now and the finale, though obviously without Jim. OR, they simply went with blatant lies, and audience manipulation as story-telling devices.

    Comment by Johno — March 25, 2012 @ 11:04 am

  123. @ Johno: You never know with SG. She’s either so coy, it comes off as lying, or she just lies. I don’t pay any attention to her interviews. Robert Singer and JA are reliable. JP has a tendency to just talk about his character, as a means of not slipping up and saying something he’s not supposed to, I think.

    I liked Bobby okay, up until the wheelchair story and then him chewing Dean out for not being nice to his brother or not depending on Sam to do the right thing. Then he became the encyclopedia of all hunting knowledge, and then this season, they made Bobby into Yoda Bobby and really pushed him as Pa Winchester. They kind of overdid it for me, and while I like Jim Beaver a lot, I thought his send-off was very well done. If they now turn around and bring him back as an occasional recurring ghost, I guess that would be alright, but I’d just as soon what is dead stays dead.

    Comment by Sheri — March 25, 2012 @ 2:31 pm

  124. Regarding the possibility of Bobby’s ghost–maybe some other supernatural entity is following the boys. So not Bobby’s ghost, but rather some spirit or some angel that hasn’t revealed itself yet.

    If you go back to the Amazon baby episode, their little electromagnetic device (that supposedly detects ghosts) did NOT shoe any readings. So maybe it’s not Bobby.

    Comment by JJA — March 25, 2012 @ 7:24 pm

  125. @ JJA: Good point about no EMF. We know it’s not Cas now. If SG wasn’t so damned predictable, I’d say it definitely isn’t Bobby, but she retcon’s everything at will, so I’m not sure the EMF means anything.

    You know who I would love it to be? Death.

    Comment by Sheri — March 25, 2012 @ 7:48 pm

  126. @118 It’s very amusing that you suddenly dispute the very same arguments that have been trotted out for the previous ratings lows, while fully accepting them before.

    Of course the Hunger Games affected the numbers: it had the third-best opening night of *all time*.

    Comment by Laura — March 25, 2012 @ 8:03 pm

  127. “It’s perfectly possible many tuned out because of a Castiel episode; I almost did.”

    Oh and by the way CaseyT: I hope you realize that makes you (and anyone who tuned out) not a true fan of the show… lik you’ve been telling all the Casfans who tuned out this season.

    Comment by Laura — March 25, 2012 @ 8:07 pm

  128. (OMG, this site has smileys? o_O”)

    Comment by Aero — March 25, 2012 @ 11:45 pm

  129. (Oh, and by the way, please swap ‘Consequently, I don’t think it makes you a fan…’ with ‘Consequently, I don’t think it makes you a “real fan”‘.)

    I’ve felt the need to clarify that. ^^

    Comment by Aero — March 26, 2012 @ 12:43 am

  130. “I hope you realize that makes you (and anyone who tuned out) not a true fan of the show… lik you’ve been telling all the Casfans who tuned out this season.”

    So according to you, the above mentioned Casfans are not true fans of the show either? Ok. Not liking an aspect of the show, doesn’t mean you aren’t a fan. It’s an tired old argument.

    Comment by beth w — March 26, 2012 @ 3:51 am

  131. @ Laura: You completely missed the point of CaseyT’s post. Her’s contained good points and was talking about the disappointment in the low ratings (as I’m sure we all are).

    I found especially true her comments about S4. Dean going to Hell was a big deal, and I, for one, couldn’t wait for S4 to start and see how they brought Dean back. The angels were a complete surprise to me, and I did like Cas and Dean’s interactions in S4. His story should have ended and his role gone away at the end of this season.

    We all know what happened to the character in S5 and S6. But let’s look at how he was left in this episode.

    He heroically and selflessly healed Sam by…doing something. I can’t figure out what that something was.

    It has never been explained if Luci is just Sam hellucinating, if he is part of Sam’s psyche, or if he is Sam’s subconscious. So what exactly did Cas transfer?

    If it was Sam’s hellucinations, then Sam should still be having those, except it is Cas who now listens to Luci and Sam functions okay by being bypassed in the conversation. Why, then, if Luci is talking to Sam, would he call Cas
    brother and why does Cas see him?

    Since Cas can see him, I don’t understand why the first time he met his brother (the Meg pulled across the angel oil episode), he wasn’t afraid of Luci at all.

    If Cas transferred part of Sam’s psyche, then Sam should be soulless, half soulless, or a zombie, not back to old Sam who has a permanent condition, except he’s not affected by that permanent condition.

    If he transferred Sam’s subconscious, then that doesn’t speak well for what Sam thinks about Dean, not to mention that he thinks he is the only one that saved the world. No character growth in those kinds of thoughts at all.

    I’m guessing he didn’t transfer some of the ‘soul dust’ Cas described, as that would definitely make Sam soulless. Since the show has struggled since the beginning of the soulless story about what a soul is, I can’t even address this aspect.

    And, by the way, since Sam was left for two whole seasons with his worst problem anyone on the planet has ever suffered, I’m not taking Sam jumping in the hole as a victory for Sam, given his condition in this episode…that condition being giving up, resigned to dying, unable to unwrap a candy bar. That kind of negates some people’s view that Dean showing up at the cemetary, getting the shit beat out of himself so that Sam’s memories of the ‘brother bond’ would temporarily allow him to get control of Luci and jump in said hole.

    I’ve never bought that line, but the point is, if Sam is telling Dean that Dean can’t do anything about his current problem and both he and Sam know that, that doesn’t tell me Sam puts much faith in Dean’s abilities to solve tough problems or that he gives Dean any credit for helping him overcome Luci.

    And my point to you is that there is more to think about then just snarking at someone’s post for no apparent reason at all except that you seem to like Cas and took offense that someone may not. Talk about the show, please. There was a lot brought up in these past two episodes that are worthy of discussion.

    Comment by Sheri — March 26, 2012 @ 4:47 am

  132. Demons and angels and ghosts, oh my!
    From what I’ve observed in our comments sections and via Twitter over the past few months, Castiel’s return has been heralded with both anticipation and dread, depending on which part of fandom you occupy. But to me, “The Born-Again Identity” exemplified all the things that “Supernatural” does best: emphasizing the brotherly bond that holds the show together; highlighting the excellence of the supporting characters; showcasing the dramatic chops of its actors; and proving that an emotional through-line is all it really takes to make a story resonate. The episode didn’t overtly advance the overarching leviathan plot (although it was clearly laying necessary groundwork for stories to come), instead focusing on our characters’ internal struggles, reminding us that no matter how dire the circumstances, our heroes are always driven by the desire to do the right thing, no matter the personal cost.
    We saw Sam, whose sanity was slowly unraveling, finally end up under psychiatric lockdown after five days without sleep. Sadly, no matter how many drugs the doctors pumped into him, his body was unable to rest with Lucifer gleefully popping firecrackers, blaring loud music and misusing a megaphone to keep up the torture. Still, even with his organs failing, his nails breaking and his hair falling out from sleep deprivation, Sam’s first instinct was to help a fellow patient, Marin (sympathetically played by the excellent Kacey Rohl, daughter of frequent “Supernatural” director Mike Rohl).
    The girl (who bore a slight — probably coincidental — resemblance to Ava, another troubled young woman Sam once knew) was being haunted by her dead brother, although conventional medicine had her diagnosed as being psychotically depressed. The two developed a tender, platonic rapport as they bonded over hearing voices, and no matter how much Sam was hallucinating, he was still a hunter first, and was soon able to change her diagnosis and free Marin from her brother’s ghost and his fire-starting tendencies.
    I found Marin’s defeated attitude particularly interesting in regards to the way it mirrored Dean’s story this season. In one of her first encounters with Sam, she stated, “I feel like crap … I just want it to be over,” which is exactly the kind of weariness we’ve been hearing from Dean lately. The only reason the elder Winchester is still fighting and functioning is for Sam’s sake — and, as this episode illustrated, the only times Dean has been able to get fired up and invested in a case have been when his brother is in peril. “Quit being Dali-freaking-Yoda about this, get pissed!” Dean demanded earlier in the episode, but it’s Dean who has been feeling apathetic all year, trying to fake his way through life for his brother’s benefit. It only makes the brothers’ situation more agonizing, since both are barely holding on by a thread, clearly feeling too exhausted to go on, but still forcing themselves to serve the greater good as long as they’re still breathing, since it’s the only thing they know how to do.
    Jared Padalecki did some of his finest work to date in this episode, playing Sam’s disorientation and soul-weariness with wrenching honesty. His scenes with Marin exposed all of the heart and empathy that’s always been at the center of Sam’s character, while his interactions with the fabulous Mark Pellegrino were suitably painful. (On a shallow note, it’s also hard to imagine anyone making sleep deprivation look better than Padalecki did this week — the stubble suits him well.)
    Dean, as mentioned, was spurred into action by his brother’s deteriorating state — and just as Sam did way back in Season 1 when Dean was laid up in a hospital bed and resigned to his fate, Dean started scouring the web and contacting every hunter he could find to try and figure out a way to save his brother. Instead of locating a faith healer with a “reaper on a leash,” a handy gust of wind (another Bobby intervention?) blew a business card out of Bobby’s journal that led to a guy called Mackey who had been healed by a man named Emmanuel. One trip to Colorado and case of mistaken demonic identity later, Dean and his angelic buddy were back together, although the artist formerly known as Cas had no recollection of his past.
    Or, at least, no memory since the time that he stumbled out of the river “drenched and confused and unclothed” and was found by a nondescript, supposedly Christian woman named Daphne, who apparently managed to marry an amnesiac with no actual identity (and a vessel that’s already married to another woman — yay for polygamy!) a few months after meeting him. Something smelled a little fishy about the suggestion that the pair ended up together because “God wanted her to find me,” but perhaps this show just makes me paranoid. Either she’s totally disposable and we’ll never see her again, Amelia style, or she’ll return with some dark intentions somewhere down the line — though Cas had certainly forgotten all about her as soon as he regained his memories. Such a heartbreaker. There’s also something a little icky, in a non-consensual sense, about the possibility that amnesiac Cas was married, given how entirely freaked out he was about the prospect of losing his virginity back in “Free To Be You And Me,” but the show glossed over it all so quickly I suppose we’re not supposed to examine any of it too deeply, since “Cas” wasn’t technically behind the wheel at the time.
    While road-tripping their way back to Sam, the pair were intercepted by a smug, far-too-knowledgeable Meg, who had been tracking them for hours, and had an unnerving interest in “poor little amnesiac Cas” — ostensibly to keep him out of Crowley’s hands, but mostly, Dean assumed, to try and turn him into “an angel-sized weapon.” Apparently, there’s still a price on Meg’s head for her attempt to help the Winchesters take Crowley down, and the sudden resurgence of demons was clearly not a good sign in terms of her longevity. Dean grudgingly took her along to help him fight any further demons they might come across, but he needn’t have bothered — by the time they ran into another cabal of the black-eyed suckers, Cas recovered his angel mojo and took them all out in a stunning and perfectly-executed scene that intercut Castiel’s sympathetic destruction of the demons with flashes of his lost memories.
    Misha Collins did masterful work in this episode, finding so many subtle nuances between Emmanuel and Castiel that it was a joy to watch him reinterpret the familiar character once again. Castiel, perhaps even more than Sam and Dean in some ways, has had the most pronounced evolution in the show, progressing from a mindless solider to a rebellious freedom fighter to a conflicted demonic ally to a self-righteous god, each version replete with its own unique flavors. While Emmanuel shared a lot of similarities with Castiel version 1.0, in his trouble with grasping sarcasm and his naivety, he still managed to smile more readily than the first iteration of Cas, and he was immediately willing to put his trust and respect in Dean, despite his first encounter with the hunter involving Dean clutching a bloody knife and standing over a body on his doorstep. Even the subtle way in which Emmanuel spoke a little more softly was a pronounced difference from Castiel’s lower, raspier tone, and Collins pulled the transition off seamlessly.
    The best part about “Supernatural’s” supporting cast has always been the ways in which these equally well-drawn, charismatic characters bring out different sides of the Winchesters (a fact that Ackles and Padalecki recently noted in our exclusive interview, and just as Sam’s interactions with Ruby, Lilith and Lucifer have brought out a compelling darker side in our formerly sweet and sensitive younger Winchester over the years, Dean’s relationships with Castiel and Bobby have helped soften his edges and allowed him to place trust in someone other than his family. Sam at least got to experience a support system and friendship group outside of his dad and brother when he went to college, but Dean never had that opportunity, and I think that’s part of why Dean’s friendship with Castiel has always been so compelling to me. It’s true that Jensen Ackles could probably have on-screen chemistry with a potted plant, but he really brings his A-game when playing scenes with Collins, in a different but equally compelling way from his effortless rhythm with Padalecki, since Dean and Cas have such an odd, symbiotic relationship that has helped them both evolve and rediscover their faith over the past few seasons.
    The moment in which Dean retrieved Castiel’s iconic trenchcoat and gave it back to him was a perfect summation of their friendship — though Dean has been wrestling with the anger he feels for Castiel’s destruction of Sam’s wall all season, this episode also made it clear that Dean wants to forgive his former friend. When Cas had a crisis of conscience over all the lives he’d taken in heaven and on earth, Dean still tried to defend his actions even if he disagreed with them, pointing out, “you did the best you could at the time.” One could argue that it was simply to get the angel back on track so that he could fix Sam’s head, but I give Dean more credit than that.
    During our interview, Ackles told me that Dean is “obviously elated to see his friend, but what [Cas] had done before he left was something that Dean doesn’t forgive easily. So there’s a big struggle there with Dean and you’ll see more of that play out throughout that episode and throughout future episodes.” Ackles played that struggle perfectly this week — though his story was more reactive than proactive in the face of Sam’s meltdown, that understated performance was still the emotional undercurrent of the story, and Ackles’ subtle shifts in expression as he tried to downplay his relationship to “Emmanuel” helped convey that internal conflict without words.
    But as powerful as Castiel is again, he was unable to fix Sam’s wall, and unlike Death — and without the souls from Purgatory — he is no longer strong enough to construct a new one. Still, as fitting penance for the pain and chaos he brought down on Sam, Cas decided to “shift” Sam’s problem to himself, taking the soul damage inside him with the assertion that he’d be fine (I’m not so sure about that). He immediately started seeing Lucifer as Sam had, which lends credence to some fans’ speculation that Sam’s madness isn’t simply mental trauma from all the torture he suffered in the cage, and that perhaps Lucifer somehow still has a link to his vessel even though he’s trapped in the cage. We clearly need to see more of the effect this has on Cas and what the interactions between Cas and Lucifer will be like before we can really understand exactly what Cas did, but since Collins is appearing in at least three episodes this season, and possibly more, I’m sure we’ll delve deeper into that situation in coming weeks.
    If there’s one complaint I had about the episode, it’s that the ending felt rushed. We seemed to gloss over Castiel’s Lucifer problem, Sam and Dean leaving, and Meg joining the hospital staff a little too rapidly, as if the episode was stuffed too full to really give those ideas time to breathe. Sera Gamble did an overall excellent job of balancing Sam and Dean’s stories, but I think if the unnecessary inclusion of Emmanuel having a wife had been dropped, and a couple of minutes had been shaved from Sam’s time with Marin or Lucifer’s (admittedly enjoyable) snarking, the ending would’ve felt a little less abrupt. I’m hoping that all of those plot points will be furthered in coming episodes, and considering what a juggling act the majority of the episode was, I’m not too annoyed that one or two balls were dropped in the final five minutes.
    I am a little dubious that leaving Castiel under Meg’s supervision was the smartest decision, since Dean knows that she’s got her eye on the “angel-sized weapon” and is gunning for Crowley, but I suppose that “mutually assured destruction” is pretty much the best reassurance they can count on right now. Sam already illustrated at the beginning of the episode that under the influence of his hallucinations he could get out and get hit by a car while Dean was sleeping, so since they no longer have a panic room in which to lock Cas for safe keeping, a locked mental ward probably is the most secure place. I think it’s naive to assume that no demons would be able to track Cas and Meg down to the hospital, given how many of them were killed outside it, and I don’t understand why any doctor would just switch out a Sam-sized patient for a Cas one without commenting on it, but I suppose such plot-holes are inevitable when you only have 42 minutes to tell a story, and that a new batch of demons tracking them down will probably be the next logical plot point when we see Cas and Meg again.
    I’ve had a few fans comment on Twitter that they felt Dean’s behavior was out-of-character or too brusque when he left Castiel at the hospital, and while I’m inclined to agree that his “all our friends are dead” attitude was a little harsh given Castiel’s resurrection, I’m choosing to take it as a further part of Dean processing the unbelievable events of the day. He’s spent 16 episodes mourning one of his best friends, only to have him reappear, and now Cas has Lucifer inside his head, Dean’s likely thinking that it’s only a matter of time until the angel dies again, given what the hallucinations did to Sam. At this point, I feel like both of the brothers know better than to get their hopes up or count on anyone they care about actually surviving long-term, but hopefully, we’ll see that sense of hope rekindled in both Winchesters now that Sam is stable again and as Castiel’s arc is further explored.
    I’ve also had fans complaining that Castiel somehow “stole Sam’s storyline” in sucking away his hallucinations, which I guess I understand on the surface — because that’s literally what he did — but I don’t agree with the mindset behind it. I thought it was one of the show’s smartest and most poetic decisions yet, both in allowing Castiel to redeem himself for driving Sam completely insane in the Season 6 finale (an eye for an eye, if we want to get Biblical), and in allowing Sam to get his head back in the game. I’m sure that no Sam fan would’ve wanted to see Sam die or have him laid up as a gibbering wreck in a hospital bed for the rest of the season, which are the only two possible outcomes I could see if he had continued to have those hallucinations. His body was literally shutting down in this episode, and as Sera Gamble has stated in recent interviews, there’s no real way that Sam can ever fully recover from being stuck in a cage with Lucifer — even if he no longer has the hallucinations, he’ll always have those Hell memories, just as Dean has, and those will likely inform his character for the rest of the series. But as with everything the Winchesters have suffered through, they’ll both continue finding a way to fight despite everything they’ve lost, because they’re our Big Damn Heroes, and that’s what the show is all about.
    As for the split in the fandom, *sigh* you can’t please everyone all the time. No matter what route Gamble would have taken, there would have been a vocal group calling her out, if not for the fact that she’s the showrunner and not Kripke. I like how in a recent interview that she gave she told of how Kripke poked his head in her office and gave her the idea on what direction to take this episode. It was one that she had not originally considered while she was laying the ground work for this episode. So for the nay-sayers are out there maybe they should throw some grief his way since it was Kripke’s idea, not hers. Personally, I loved the episode. Sam will always have issues concerning his time in Hell, just not enough to land him in a mental ward for the rest of the season. That wouldn’t have been good television in my view

    Comment by Laura Prudom — March 26, 2012 @ 5:07 am

  133. @ Luara Prudom:

    A wonderfully laid-out post. Thank you.

    Comment by Aero — March 26, 2012 @ 5:49 am

  134. A bowl of scrambled letters, please…

    Of course, I mean “@ Laura Prudom:”

    A kingdom for an EDIT button…

    Comment by Aero — March 26, 2012 @ 5:51 am

  135. Thank 134

    Comment by Laura Prudom — March 26, 2012 @ 7:34 am

  136. @36 and 39

    It’s television. You think JP had time to lose weight to look more fitting for a mental patient, and then gain the weight back?? The sam/lucy scenes were by far the best part of the episode, and I the fact that Sam was buff didn’t even phase me.

    My issues are Rachel Miner phoning in Meg (I STILL hate that they still call her “meg” and that’s her original meat suit’s name, not even her current one, OR her real demon name…) God her acting was shitty.

    I also of course have an issue with the lack of explanation as to what exactly Cas did to fix Sam. He touched his forehead and some weird ass effect was present.

    Remember when Castiel syphoned some of Bobby’s soul to juice up in the Western Ep? They should’ve used the same effect that they used last season, with Castiel reaching into Sam and touching his soul. That would’ve made SO MUCH more sense than him “shifting” it. (whatever the hell that means).

    Fixing Sam was way to easy. Castiel’s return was too easy. (Why the hell does GOD keep saving him?)

    I have a feeling they aren’t telling us why God keeps saving him because they are stretching that reveal out until the very end of the series.

    Good episode, sort of, but not good enough.

    Comment by Jeff — March 26, 2012 @ 11:49 am

  137. I don’t think God saved Cas this time. I don’t think he ever really “died.” All we saw in 7×02 was him walking into the water and the Leviathans bursting out of him and dispersing. Worst case, the vessel (Jimmy) blew apart, Cas and the Leviathans were spilled out. We know angels are capable of healing their vessels. The levis left the scene, and Cas (either consciously or unconsciously) repaired his vessel and floated down river inside it, injured but not dead.

    That’s my take, anyway. I don’t think the *angel* was killed like he was in Lucifer Rising or in Swan Song. God didn’t need to resurrect him this time. Cas just had the angel equivalent of “head trauma” from the explosion.

    Comment by G-Dawg — March 26, 2012 @ 12:42 pm

  138. I’m sorry I’m late for the party. I’ve managed to watch all the shows but I haven’t had time to stop by and visit. Forgive if some of these thing are common knowledge. I’m just trying to catch up. Has the show been renewed?

    I’m sure Sara had her baby and are you going to the Con in Dallas? I’ve got my ticket so maybe we can meet up somewhere.

    All I have time for, talk at you all later.

    Comment by Lugilla Brown — March 26, 2012 @ 1:29 pm

  139. Sheri

    “I’m guessing he didn’t transfer some of the ’soul dust’ Cas described, as that would definitely make Sam soulless.”

    I thought Cas was talking about Sam’s crumbled wall not his soul.

    Comment by jace — March 26, 2012 @ 1:42 pm

  140. @ Lugilla Brown: No renewal news yet. It was Gen, Jared’s wife that had the baby boy, Thomas Colton, on March 19th.

    @ Jace: I think it was the crumbled wall that was shattered, but what did Cas transfer? Memories, hallucinations, some attachment that Luci had with Sam, or a part of Sam’s subconscious? How is it Cas sees Luci, hears Luci, recoils from Luci if it is memories or subconscious? The whole thing is unclear to me.

    Comment by Sheri — March 26, 2012 @ 4:10 pm

  141. His soul was what was hellbanged in hell. So it makes sense cas could absorb the bad parts of it. The wall just protected sam from that part of the soul that was damaged.

    Comment by Sal — March 26, 2012 @ 5:14 pm

  142. @ #141: Death said the soul couldn’t be separated. It doesn’t really matter to me though. None of the 2-year soul business has ever made one bit of sense and, apparently, not the writers either, since they never could get their message across.

    I’m holding prayer circles that we NEVER, EVER hear of Sam’s hellpain or soullessness again…not with Sam, not with Cas, and not with green eggs and ham. LimpSam doesn’t do one thing for me.

    Comment by Sheri — March 26, 2012 @ 7:46 pm

  143. I’m a fan of season 6. I liked it every bit as past seasons.

    This season, not so much. Castiel siphoned some of Bobby’s soul in order to juice up. I’m ASSUMING this is what he did with Sam, HOWEVER, the effect was different than last years effect they used 3 times (to the little boy, then Sam, then Bobby. Castiel reached inside and touched their souls). This time, he just touched Sam’s forehead. Should’ve used the same effect and explanation.

    Comment by Jeff — March 26, 2012 @ 9:47 pm

  144. Oh, and FYI, IGN released their endangered TV list and Supernatural made the “safe for renewal” category. They’ve always been spot on.

    Comment by Jeff — March 26, 2012 @ 9:50 pm

  145. “and proving that an emotional through-line is all it really takes to make a story resonate. ”

    Wow, that’s quite the statement, and one I couldn’t disagree with more. Perhaps in short stories and in abstract and hardcore fantastical concepts the emotions and the themes can take presendece, but in a long running tv STORY about two hunters? No way. You’re statement is but an excuse for the shallow, superficial, and lazy writing currently employed on Supernatural.

    You refer to the limitations of 40 minute episodes, yet this is a show that runs for 22 episodes per season! THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS HERE… whatever happened to on-going story arcs? There’s nothing wrong with “To be continued”. In fact that isn’t even necessary in “episodic” TV. Why couldn’t Sera have mapped the events of this episode across two or even three episodes?
    Goodness knows that she’s wasted more than enough episodes on fluff like Shut Up Dr Phil, only to struggle to successfully tie up all story threads before season’s end. Poor planning and superficial plots have been the norm for Supernatural since season 5.

    Breaking Bad is a 40 minute show, and yet it manages within those 40 mintues(within 13 episode seasons no less) to be one of the great stories of our time. Yes, the show has a higher budget than SPN, but for the most part it could be recreated with a much lesser budget, and still be a critical hit. Why? Because it doesn’t lose itself in nonsensical super-hero style comic book plots. The validity of the plot is of the utmost importance. Okay, Supernatural isn’t exactly a slice of life, but it’s core viewership wants less fantasy, not more. We want a return to the dark edgy horror show it used to be, where the only truly fantatical things were the monsters that the brothers were hunting.

    Supernatural has been a poor show with poor story-telling ever since it became fantasy-orientated with the introduction of Castiel. Things got ridiculous in season 5, and the show has been going dowhill ever since.

    Lose the fantasy, lose the plot-holes, lose the ridiculous plots, and lose Castiel, or continue to lose the fans and commit creative suicide.

    Comment by Johno — March 26, 2012 @ 11:55 pm

  146. After reading all these comments thoroughly, I’ve come to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter what the writers do at this point. A large proportion of this fan base would be disappointed regardless of whether Gamble and her cronies got their shit together or not. Pleasing one part of the fan base means pissing off another, and the potential loss of fans. But trying to please everyone? I feel like this is where Gamble is going with the rest of this season, but as seen with this episode, it’s probably not going to work. Trying to show Cas for his little 15 minutes of fame, and quick fixing Sam really took away from a decent plot, even though this was honestly the best episode of the season.

    And I don’t understand why people dislike Cas fans. You’re not going to like everything about a tv show. So why should you stop watching one of your favorite shows just because you dislike a character? And why be excessively hypercritical of that character’s fans? This is one of the most critical and disunified group of fans that I’ve ever seen, since everyone seems to focus more on what they dislike instead of finding common ground and accepting the fact that everyone watches this show differently. Don’t get me wrong, it’s nice to see people who analyze the storyline and try to understand the writing, but it seems to bring out the dogmatic critics within you lot. And the more critical you all get, the less unified the fanbase is. And as far as ratings go, I think that the fragmentation of this fandom will help to kill the ratings (it’s already starting to do that). This can largely be blamed on the fact that there is too much happening in a season rather than a general plot with an episode or two of comic relief or filler. It’s as if the fanbase is more unified in their malcontent or resentment of Gamble’s writing rather than their love of SPN.

    Comment by Momo — March 27, 2012 @ 2:02 am

  147. *Lose the fantasy, lose the plot-holes, lose the ridiculous plots, and lose Castiel, or continue to lose the fans and commit creative suicide.*

    @146 I hope they keep Castiel so that pompous Padawankers like you might stop watching and sod off instead of telling us how we should feel and think about this show. I’ve never seen such supercilious, condescending codswallop in my life as the tripe you constantly post here.

    Comment by Louisa — March 27, 2012 @ 3:49 am

  148. That was to this idiot Johnno by the way, Momo, not you.

    Comment by Louisa — March 27, 2012 @ 3:50 am

  149. @ Johno #139:

    “and proving that an emotional through-line is all it really takes to make a story resonate. ”

    I’m not sure what this statement was supposed to mean, but I agree with you, since I think the “emotional through-line” (i.e., the brothers’ separate human conditions’) is exactly what is wrong with this season.

    After this episode, I am dreading the finale, since I assume SG will be writing it.

    Given the past 3 years of the show, I’m thinking that S8 should just be MotW episodes. The show just doesn’t have the talent to handle a season-long mytharc, not to mention the lack of an ability to come up with a creative supernatural idea for one.

    Comment by Sheri — March 27, 2012 @ 4:01 am

  150. Don’t buy the idea that disagreement over characters, plotlines–even Sam v. Dean or Castile-lovers, Castiel-detractors is bad for the series. The emotional investment many have with the series, its actors, and its characters is probably its greatest strength. It does lead to petty personal attacks; people calling other posters morons and stupid; demands by some that others stop posting–but that sort of stuff keeps the on-line sites popping, and an on-line audience has been essential to keeping SPN in production. Modern media thrives on controversy and SPN generates that among its fans.
    That sort of casting stones at each other does make any real discussion of SPN difficult. If someone dislikes a character or plot or an actor, they offend those so deeply invested in fictional characters or actors that they get attacked as if someone’s best friend or boyfriend has been attacked. Despite that, there seem to be thousands of people interested in SPN enough to offer criticism (negative and positive) of the series and who can wade through all the silly emotional outbursts to keep a lively and critical discussion of the series going on-line.
    Some fans seem to believe that fans should be accepting and laudatory of anything that appears. Love it or leave it. Others, want to freely express likes and dislikes and do so. Both groups are devoted to SPN. IMO if it had only its worshipful fans or its legion of amateur critics, it would long ago have disappeared. It’s a measure of its success that it generates fans of both types–and almost every perspective in between. The series has never been a ratings winner, but it has been an on-line juggernaut.
    I’d rather read comments like Laura Purdom’s above (excellent job), although I don’t agree with some of her analysis. And, I’m pleased that the board has recently sought to keep the nasty personal attacks out of bounds, but it’s all one big family of fans and about as dysfunctional and combative as the Winchesters, and that is what has kept the series going.

    Comment by CaseyT — March 27, 2012 @ 6:12 am

  151. Momo, CaseyT and Johno: All good posts, even though I don’t agree with everything said.

    Because there has been so much hate posted on this site it is difficult, at times, to really get a good discussion of the show and a real valid sense of what the fans are thinking.

    But when the hate is filtered out you can clearly see that, whereas there is a good division among groups of posters, the overall sense is that we all love this show- so much- that we want it to be better than it is. Regardless of how we feel about Castiel or about the writing or the direction of the season, we all care about the Winchesters and want them to keep going.

    We have all seen how good this show could be and we desire to have at least a touch of that quality back.

    We don’t all express those desires in the same manner- and yes, there is alot of angry, hateful comments thrown around here- but when you actually can focus on the general sense on this site it is clear we all want the same thing:

    A better handled show for the Winchesters. They deserve it, the actors deserve it and the fans deserve it.

    I truly hope we can get a season 8. It would be wrong for this series to end with a season like this one.

    Comment by SL — March 27, 2012 @ 6:35 am

  152. Jeff,

    I don’t think he did anything with Sam’s soul. He touched Sam’s head to bring down the wall at the end of season 6. He touched Sam’s head again to try and restore the wall. Unfortunately, there is nothing left to restore–the wall is dust. As he said to Dean, he can’t fix Sam’s soul and he can’t build a wall from scratch like Death can. Whatever transfer (and I don’t think anyone is clear on that) took place was between Sam’s mind and Cas’s mind not their souls. Sam’s soul is still damaged but he doesn’t have the debilitating hallucinations now. Cas took them into his own mind.

    Which would have made more sense if Cas hadn’t heard Lucifer call him “brother.” If he transferred Sam’s hallucinations, why are the hallucinations Cas specific instead of Sam specific? Inquiring minds want to know.

    Comment by jace — March 27, 2012 @ 7:18 am

  153. #53

    Harsh. It is being reported that Rachel is taking a medication which causes side effects including puffiness in the face. So you can stop ragging on her. Good for her for stepping up.

    Comment by beth w — March 27, 2012 @ 7:36 am

  154. I was a little bummed that they didn’t divulge much information on what is happening in heaven. No, I don’t want the heaven/angel story coming back, but it would be nice to know what happened up there after Castiel went all crazy and started chopping down the angels left and right.

    Overall, enjoyed the episode. It was good to have demon Meg back, the only recurring character who has survived all seasons. That in itself is pretty impressive.

    Comment by Jake — March 27, 2012 @ 8:46 am

  155. What the fuck is up with making Cas a veggie? I wasn’t a religious watcher of the show until season 4 came along and i kind of fell of this season once I realize that they were sticking with the Cas is dead plot. My top favorite episode of all time are the ones that feature Cas. It was an anticipated episode which I watched with excitment and it did not dissappoint me. Rumor has it that season 8 is a go. So hopefully Cas goes back to being the fully charged in his right mind angel that I enjoy watching. Is it me or is Dean an even bigger dick? I always felt he was a bully but damn the whole mutual self destruction thing was just wrong. I thought Sam was suppose to be the eveil one.

    Comment by N-D's — March 27, 2012 @ 9:20 am

  156. @ 155 Dean cares for Castiel, if he didn’t he wouldn’t have kept the trenchcoat with him all the time, and he wouldn’t have given it back to Castiel, and he wouldn’t have told him that he always knew/hoped he’d be back (that was in the promo). There was no alternative but to leave Castiel in the hospital, Castiel needed to be watched and required assistance 24/7. So, he couldn’t come on the road with them.

    But, hey, if just want to hate on Dean, that’s your choice, just like Castiel fans like you are making me start to dislike him.

    Also, you’re wrong, it wasn’t “mutual self destruction” and maybe do some research before saying something is wrong.

    Tt’s called “Mutual Assured Destruction” and it’s a real thing. It’s a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy in which a full-scale use of high-yield weapons of mass destruction by two opposing sides would effectively result in the complete, utter and irrevocable annihilation of both the attacker and the defender, becoming thus a war that has no victory nor any armistice but only effective reciprocal destruction. The strategy is effectively a form of Nash equilibrium in which neither side, once armed, has any rational incentive either to initiate a conflict or to disarm (presuming neither side considers self-destruction an acceptable outcome). It comes from the 1960s with regard to nuclear weapons and the Cold War between the United States and the USSR.

    Comment by bree — March 27, 2012 @ 9:47 am

  157. @ #155: I like Dean best when he is a dick, rather than a doormat for every other character that has ever been on the show.

    That said, I think you missed the part where Dean was the leader that everyone looked to — save Sam, who showed little faith in the brother who resurrected him, almost stopped him from raising Luci by talking an angel into going against his ‘family, died to get his soul back, and then had a wall built. The “You knew this was going to happen,” showed little appreciation for the mountains Dean has moved for Sam’s well-being.

    When the new Team Free Will was together, both the angel and the demon looked to human Dean to lead the group. Dean is a dirty fighter (yea, Dean), so don’t think for a minute that Meg is getting a pass here — that is a part of the mutually assured destruction. They depend on her to watch Cas and she depends on the Winchesters to help her with Crowley. Dean will use Meg until she makes a move against him, then all bets are off (and since Dean is a lead, my guess is Meg and/or Crowley are dead meat. I’m hoping it is Meg.) My guess is that Dean now considers Crowley fair game, since the demons made a move on him and Sam.

    As far as Sam is concerned, he looks to Dean as the leader, too, because Dean is the big brother and because Sam can’t keep himself out of trouble year after year.

    We don’t know where Cas’ story is going, only that it is not over. Spoilers have repeatedly said Cas has a 3-story arc, and we don’t know when the other two episodes will play out.

    Comment by Sheri — March 27, 2012 @ 11:06 am

  158. Thanks Sheri for the update but I was asking about Sara who used to post here often. We used to spar and she stated several times she was hormonal because she was expecting her first.

    I think she was due in Aug but my roommate passed away and I had to lay low for awhile to carry out all of her wishes.

    Sue was a devoted Samazon and would have been thrilled for Jared although she despised Genevieve.

    I was just hoping everything went well for Sara. If anyone knows would you mind letting me know?

    Comment by Lugilla Brown — March 27, 2012 @ 2:39 pm

  159. Yikes, the insults are beginning to fly. Don’t forget those of you that are hurling personal insults at other posters that just recently a warning was given that it will not be tolerated and those engaging in such activities will be banned. I hope it is enforced.

    Comment by twinster — March 27, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

  160. As far as I’m concerned Dean is the traitor no Cass

    Comment by iddqd — March 27, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  161. @ Lugilla. Oh, that Sara. I don’t know if she is around or not. Hope you are doing better these days. I’ve wondered about you.

    @ #160: I don’t understand your post. Who do you think Dean betrayed?

    Comment by Sheri — March 27, 2012 @ 7:10 pm

  162. Some comments are not worth wasting a single brain cell to respond to so the “Dean is the traitor” comment I will just chalk up to someone who does not watch the show and let it go.

    Sheri (I believe post #157 but the numbers keep changing): Very Good Post. Thank You.

    Comment by SL — March 27, 2012 @ 7:34 pm

  163. I agree with SL, ignore comments like that (It was poster 161 not 160 because I’m 160 and a Dean fan!).:)

    Comment by twinster — March 27, 2012 @ 7:49 pm

  164. Why do the numbers keep changing?

    I think some folks just come over here to provoke others and watch the comment section go boom.

    Comment by jace — March 27, 2012 @ 8:03 pm

  165. @Lugilla Thank you for asking. Yes I had a little girl and she is well and healthy…and growing. How nice of you to ask I’ve missed your posts. Honestly, my view on the show has changed quite a bit after that atrocity of a season, we may agree now more than disagree. Unfortunately, I won’t be able to attend the con though…totally sucks.

    Comment by Sara — March 27, 2012 @ 8:50 pm

  166. -Jace

    Yeah, I understand that, my point was it would’ve made more sense if he had touched his soul and not his head, because you’re right, as of now it makes NO SENSE whatsoever with what he did. How was he able to transfer his hallucinations? I wouldn’t have such a massive issue with the quick fix if it had been explained better. So annoying. This show used to be so wonderful with its explanations and it’s continuity, and ever since the horrible “Dean’s necklace is actually a God-Finding amulet” it’s just been terrible in that department.


    I almost want to agree with you that they should just put the brothers back on the road every week and just do one-off monster hunts. They can’t seem to handle a coherent season long arch any more.


    Not making excuses for SPN, as we KNOW they at one point could handle a 22 season arch, but a 12 episode arch (like Dexter and Breaking Bad have) is MUCH EASIER to write for, simply because they are forced to make the arch much tighter since they only have 12 episodes. They have less content they need to write, so therefore it’s not nearly as hard.

    For me, it seems the writers are struggling in the planning phase before they begin their writing. I don’t understand WHY they can’t plan out better before the season starts. Season 2 was near perfect. I want THAT writing team back…

    Comment by Jeff — March 27, 2012 @ 11:45 pm

  167. @ Jeff: I prefer the season mytharc stories, myself, but the writers seem to have a planning and plotting problem. Not only that, they seem unable to let the characters drive the plot towards the mytharc — that’s the biggest problem I’m seeing — and the end result is that the brothers just seem to be jerked around as the episode requires and come off looking manipulated. If they went with the serialized format, like the first two episodes this season, they might could get a handle on that problem.

    It may be that EK kept a tighter control on the writers than SG is capable of (she seems like more of a team player), so the planning came off better. I agree with you about S2, and they even handled the writer’s strike and shortened S3 better than the last 2 seasons.

    Comment by Sheri — March 28, 2012 @ 4:42 am

  168. @ 166 – unfortunately, two of the better Supernatural writers, who wrote in Season 2, Raelle Tucker and John Shiban, are no longer associated with the show. I think losing those two writers and Kim Manners really, really hurt the quality of the show.

    @ 167 – I’ve heard the reverse about Gamble, that she’s not a team player, that the problem was she wanted to do it all on her own and wouldn’t accept help when it was offered (including by Singer and Kripke).

    Comment by bree — March 28, 2012 @ 5:08 am

  169. @#156 yes there was an alternative to not leaving Cas in the hospital… the alternative being that he was able to heal Sam instead of shifting his mental state. which I of course blame the Mastermind for.
    mutual self destruction… “Mutual Assured Destruction” key word DESTRUCTION…don’t idle on the tidbits man. Yes he saved the trench coat yes in the promo he had hopes of cas return but rachel said it best when she pointed out the fact that he calls on him when they NEED something.
    The only person dean acres about is Sam.

    Comment by N-D's — March 28, 2012 @ 8:20 am

  170. @ #157 I think Dean is a dick but I didn’t say I don’t like him he is one of my top 5, right after Zac which is a list that Sam doesn’t make Cas, Zac, Dean, Crowley, and Gabe. Luicifer, with the exception of Hammer of Gods, has been a real let down.

    Comment by N-D's — March 28, 2012 @ 8:26 am

  171. @169 – Who is the “Mastermind”? What you seem to be talking about is that there was an alternative for the writers, but what I was saying is that, as it was presented in the show, there was NO alternative for the Winchesters.

    I’m not sure if you read what I wrote regarding Mutual Assured Destruction, but the point of the strategy is that there is NO destruction. As you see the U.S. and USSR/Russia are still around, they didn’t nuke each other in the 1960s

    Comment by bree — March 28, 2012 @ 8:41 am

  172. Kripke would be the Mastermind. My point is that it is a show where the upshot is decided Eric who could have decided to simply have Cas heel Sam as oppose to how it ended. Oh I got your whole MAD I just don’t think that’s what dean was referrencing.

    Comment by N-D's — March 29, 2012 @ 7:51 am

  173. @ 172 “Oh I got your whole MAD I just don’t think that’s what dean was referrencing.”

    MAD is a historical phrase that has a very specific definition. It makes no sense for you to disregard the definition. That’s why that specific phrase was used, otherwise, the writer would have had him say something else, like the phrase you first used “mutual self destruction” which has no set definition.

    Comment by bree — March 29, 2012 @ 8:22 am

  174. It’s called Mutual Assured DESTRUCTION not Preservation. why would the writer assume that the views would know that term?…I sure as hell didn’t. besides TV is art and that is always left up to the viewer to interprt. I view it as destruction…and you can view it as Dean’s way of showing that he cares.

    Comment by N-D's — March 29, 2012 @ 8:56 am

  175. @ 174 – Yes, “destruction” is in the phrase, but the point of the doctrine is to AVOID destruction; just like it was in the 1960s when the doctrine was first created. It’s an historical term, it has a defined meaning…there’s nothing to interpret.

    Just because a viewer doesn’t know something, doesn’t mean the writer doesn’t know what it means. The writer chose this phrase for a reason, because of what it means.

    Viewers can’t make up their own definitions for known, defined terms, especially ones that are set in history. It is what it is.

    Obviously, you are choosing to ignore facts (the fact of the definition of this phrase), and that’s your choice. So, I’m bowing out of this “discussion.”

    Comment by bree — March 29, 2012 @ 10:24 am

  176. Are the people complaining about the insta-fix for Sam nuts. It had to be an insta-fix. He could sleep. You don’t sleep for so long you die. How did you want the writers to get around that. Thought is was a really good ep. What brotherly moments are you missing? They are together all the time. If they were laughing together and what not doing a case of the week people would complain that they are not doing the bigger story. Stop complaining and just watch the best show on tv.

    Comment by DGrgutes — March 30, 2012 @ 6:44 am

  177. @ #176 Hey Chuck S. aka Carver E. said it best…”the fans are always gonna bitch.” SPN should feel honored that we care enough to go online and vent our opinions. “Fandom – When you care enough to bitch the very best.”

    Comment by N-D's — March 30, 2012 @ 8:09 am

  178. I can’t believe to the events of the last episode, in which, sam gets out of the institution so easily, like he never was crazy, and then castiel being internated directly after that… it never made sens in my head, but anyways it’s just a series and I can’t wait to see what the hallucinations will do to castiel

    Comment by Guest — March 30, 2012 @ 2:30 pm

  179. @#178 >>> you’re right, it’s just a series and we have to wait what’s gonna happen next.

    Comment by franchelle — March 30, 2012 @ 5:31 pm

  180. hi guys,anybody know the soundtrack played when cas gets back his memory and destroys the demons in the born-agan identity episode?

    Comment by 99999 — April 1, 2012 @ 11:52 pm

  181. i think this was the best in this season as my hopes once again started to rise by seeing cass ,seriously it was just normal show without cass and they should bring him back in action again

    Comment by JAMMY — April 3, 2012 @ 12:43 pm

  182. @ #181 I thought the first epsiode “meet the new boss” was the best episode of the season. at the end of season 6 when Cas became “god” I thought season 7 was going to be a killer. I still don’t uderstand why “god” was such a short lived identity…it had so much hope.

    Comment by N-D's — April 6, 2012 @ 7:33 am

  183. For all the Castiel freaks out there (myself included…) WE JUST GOT HIM BACK AND NOW HE’S GOT THE CRAZIES?!?

    Comment by Angel — April 9, 2012 @ 9:41 am

  184. I’m kind of disappointed overall with the quality of the storylines at this point, it’s all kind of going downhill. Maybe it’s just that I like the ones that focus solely on Sam and Dean instead of centering in on characters like Garth and Annie (from Of Grave Importance) and even Bobby at times. For me it’s like, “Hey, we’ve got about 45 minutes a week with Sam and Dean. Don’t go putting the camera on someone else during our 45 minutes!” But that’s just me. I’m just hoping it’s not going to become the Bobby Show at this point.

    However, I trust Singer. I trust Supernatural. I mean, I was starting to have serious doubts toward the middle of season 6 as well, but everything resolved itself pretty well. To point out a good thing, Sam and Dean are back being just about 100% on the up-and-up with each other, which hasn’t happened since, what, season 3? I’m enjoying seeing the brothers on the same page again. They operate so much better that way (even though the fangirl in me does miss the angst).

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