Who’s Coming Back in Season 8?

A familiar face will be showing up again in the sixth episode of season 8. Keep reading to find out who.

It’s D.J. Qualls as nerdy demon hunter Garth! Yes, after making quite a splash last season in two episodes, Garth is coming back. Are you happy to see Garth again?

News posted on August 28, 2012 Comments (146)


  1. hell yeahhhH! just hope he won’t kiss dean’s ass again…

    Comment by Dish — August 28, 2012 @ 3:57 pm

  2. In a word….NO!

    Boring character.

    Comment by Jo1027 — August 28, 2012 @ 4:21 pm

  3. Yeessss!!!I am soooo happpy to see Garth back in Season 8..He’s so funny …I like him very much..I was hoping he’ll back in Supernatural S8.

    Comment by raiko — August 28, 2012 @ 4:29 pm

  4. Second to that no word. Twenty-three episodes and this season we get a wasted one on Garth. Might as well bring Becky Rosen back. The only difference between the two is that one is male and the other is female.

    Comment by Sheri — August 28, 2012 @ 5:08 pm

  5. Garth was a waste of a potentially good character. Dean needed a fellow hunter to help him out and what did he get: a joke. The character was a clear sign of two wrong things:
    1) The lack of good writing and showrunning;
    2) A friend of a star getting a guest role
    Both were bad mistakes and by bringing this idiot of a character back it puts an immediate blemish on the new season and does make me wonder what is wrong with the people running this show.

    Comment by SL — August 28, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

  6. I love Garth he brings he makes the episode funny, and light.

    Comment by Amanda — August 28, 2012 @ 6:52 pm

  7. I love Garth he makes the episode funny, and light.

    Comment by Amanda — August 28, 2012 @ 6:53 pm

  8. I agree NO GARTH…in seasons 1,2 and 3 Dean could have hunted alone…but Dean has been reduced to needing a Goofy Carth.

    Comment by ozzie — August 28, 2012 @ 7:14 pm

  9. I personally hate garth’s character. he never actually does anything on the job. he just messes up and gets thrown off screen when the action starts leaving dean to clean up the mess. What a waste of an episode

    Comment by stephanie — August 28, 2012 @ 7:43 pm

  10. Better Garth than Castiel. I almost applauded another thread’s post postulating that there would be three separate story-lines next season – Dean’s, Sam’s and annoying angel’s. While I would rather see Sam and Dean together, I would watch both of those. If Castiel’s story-line is separated, I can choose to turn the channel off for those episodes.

    Comment by RS — August 28, 2012 @ 8:27 pm

  11. No. Awful character who brings absolutely nothing to the show. His whole persona does not fit with the macho lifestyle that is associated with a hunter. Worst character by a country mile.

    Comment by Steve Graham — August 29, 2012 @ 12:21 am

  12. i want jo or john to come back

    Comment by Apoorva — August 29, 2012 @ 6:07 am

  13. i want jo or john to come back they are better than GARTH huh

    Comment by Apoorva — August 29, 2012 @ 6:08 am

  14. Garth is funny, Castiel is bad a$$, Bobby Singer coming back would be the best, after all he was more of a father to Dean & Sam than John was.

    Comment by S. Belden — August 29, 2012 @ 7:14 am

  15. wow such hatters….it’s one character for one episode. I don’t love garth and certainly don’t hate any characters of the show. as far as characters go, i’m fairly indifferent to garth but do like DJ Qualls. ppl who use the word hate for fictional characters need to get out of their grandparents basements and get a life.

    Comment by Who dat — August 29, 2012 @ 7:20 am

  16. As far as I’m concerned, indifference to a character is worse that saying you hate a character.

    Indifference implies the character is not even worth giving consideration to. Hate means you’re fully invested in the story and can’t see that that character brings anything to it. In Garth’s case, he was used as a male version of Becky…the Becky who made fun of the female fans. In Garth’s case, he was there to poke fun of the hunters and the hunting community, and that’s why he doesn’t fit in. I don’t like a character that depicts what the Winchesters do as a joke. It takes away from the investment the audience has in the story. That’s why I didn’t want to ever see the character again.

    Comment by Sheri — August 29, 2012 @ 7:39 am

  17. After watchin S3 again, I wish they’d bring Bela and/or Ruby back!

    Comment by muub — August 29, 2012 @ 8:18 am

  18. The only way I want to see Garth back in the show is if he’s one of the monster’s victims thu bringing the Winchesters into the hunt.

    Bela’s greatest contribution to the show was to make the boys look stupid, especially Dean, and Ruby is long past her efficacy.

    I can’t see any point in these characters coming back.

    Comment by Haley 56 — August 29, 2012 @ 1:48 pm

  19. If we all cry edit button do you think we’d get one. That’s “thus” bringing.

    Comment by Haley 56 — August 29, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  20. Garth is a boss, though perhaps not for the most obvious of reasons. (Say what you want about Mr. Fizzles). Here’s my reason for loving Garth: I’m pretty damn sure that he is Gabriel.
    1) He is first mentioned in “Weekend at Bobby’s” (Alright, call the FBI…Willis, FBI…No, Garth the *real* FBI!), only 6 episodes after Gabriel’s death
    2) He eats all the time and is totally scrawny. We first meet him drinking a chocolate shake. (Sweet tooth, anyone?)
    3) He is so completely and overtly ridiculous it can only be on purpose, to annoy Dean
    4) The Shojo alcohol spirit in the “Party On, Garth” going after brewers is mildly Just Desserts
    5) He has a “special lady” and a hot tub in his hotel room. “It’s the little things”
    6) The hugs.
    7) Mr. Fizzles. Just…Mr. Fizzles.

    Comment by esking — August 29, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  21. @ esking #20: Nice analogy, but I can’t agree. If they were going to bring Gabriel back, they would use Richard Speight to do so. Have you seen his karaoke parties at the cons!

    Comment by Sheri — August 29, 2012 @ 3:02 pm

  22. get used to garth being on spn-dj qualls is a friend of jareds.

    i like garth-he was funny-but not obnoxiously so. same kind of dynamic with the brothers as charlie was. i like it.

    anybody want to guess on what kind of new weapon dean uses this season??? its jensens new best weapon ever.

    Comment by animal — August 29, 2012 @ 3:56 pm

  23. @haley- ok lets try it.


    Comment by animal — August 29, 2012 @ 3:58 pm

  24. @ Haley and animal: I’ll join.


    Comment by Sheri — August 29, 2012 @ 6:01 pm

  25. “Supernatural is dead” – Friedrich Nietzsche

    Comment by Essal — August 29, 2012 @ 6:09 pm

  26. @Supernatural is dead???What is that about?

    Comment by ozzie — August 29, 2012 @ 6:19 pm

  27. I’d imagine that so called quote about SPN being dead is either by a troll or a really stupid joke. Since F.N. is dead.

    Comment by twinster — August 29, 2012 @ 6:37 pm

  28. Depends on how he’s used. Kind of a useless character. Just please don’t do the guest star showcasing thing again. Hopefully Carver has enough sense not to do that, it didn’t win them any popularity points last season.

    Comment by Sara — August 29, 2012 @ 8:35 pm

  29. God is dead. – Friedrich Nietzsche
    Nietzsche is dead.
    And I´m gonna throw up.

    Stop complaining all the time! Alright, I hate Garth, too. But I can imagine he´s Gabriel and I would love to have him back. And think about it: As soon as they found out who Garth really is, he will show his former appearence again – as we all know him.

    But if you´re being realistic: Gabriel was a great character – why did they kill him in the first place? It´s because he had too much power. Every problem, Sam and Dean would have, or let´s say, the most, could be wiped away by him in a second. There wouldn´t be any monster fights or real conflicts, because Gabriel´s there and if it´s getting to hot, he could take care of the issue.

    Comment by Mary — August 30, 2012 @ 2:48 am

  30. #29 “But if you´re being realistic: Gabriel was a great character – why did they kill him in the first place? It´s because he had too much power. Every problem, Sam and Dean would have, or let´s say, the most, could be wiped away by him in a second. There wouldn´t be any monster fights or real conflicts, because Gabriel´s there and if it´s getting to hot, he could take care of the issue.”

    Exactly why I wanted and still do want the angels to go away. They’ve taken the story away from Sam and Dean.

    Comment by Jo1027 — August 30, 2012 @ 4:39 am

  31. I actually think Qualls is a talented comic actor; he and his character simply seem out of place in SPN to me. I find the Garth character simply silly like some show-off kid only funny or interesting to his mother, the type that most people learn simply to ignore and simply consider pathetic. The character is a better fit for the Big Bang Theory where it would actually fit. My guess is producers feel a little Big Bang Theory comedy will pump up the ratings. While I think BBT is well done, its comedy is totally out of place in Supernatural. Garth is one more sign Supernatural has lost its moorings as a dark action-adventure series. What is SPN? Soap opera? Fantasy angel series? Pop psychology exam of loss, grief and depression? Theology lesson? Showcase for old genre stars? CW teen platform? It has lost its core defining story that made it distinctive and become a mishmash of weekly episodes designed to appeal to different audiences. It’s become a way to tap Jensen and Jared’s popularity, and the stories and arcs and canon have become irrelevant.
    Dean getting his balls back is a step in the right direction. Sam and Dean as hunters: fighting evil, saving people with a creative season-long arc focused on the boys made the series–gave it a distinctive core. Hopefully Carver knows that.

    Comment by CaseyT — August 30, 2012 @ 6:53 am

  32. Gabriel wasn’t exactly a friend of the winchesters. granted in “hammer of the god” he stupidly took dean’s advice and tried to kill his brother Lu, but he wasn’t exactly rolling with the winchester entourage. tall tales, mystery spot, and changing channels proved that he was more than ok with making them suffer. though i did love his brand of justice.

    I’m think that dean’s new weapon is what cas disappeared to retrieve which might be one of the heavens weapons that baltz took….or not. If they are to bring Gabe back, and i certainly think that they should along with Zach, they should bring him back via Rich.

    Comment by Super Time — August 30, 2012 @ 7:26 am

  33. Dean told Gabriel to take a stand. Gabriel should have chosen a better battle ground and plan. I thought his death was a complete waste. As powerful as Gabriel showed himself to be in past seasons, I still don’t understand how Lucifer killed him so easily. I’ve truthfully been expecting him to pop up once more in a “I faked my own death again” capacity.

    Definitely agree that he was not a friend of the Winchesters, though.

    It would be great if Dean’s new weapon was angelic in nature. I’m really looking forward to learning why Cas left and so far to locate a weapon is one of the best suggestions I’ve heard.

    @31, agree with you re Qualls. I enjoy watching him, but he didn’t fit on SPN, atleast not in the role he was given.

    Comment by Stone120 — August 30, 2012 @ 8:41 am

  34. Been re-watching the series from 1-5 in blu-ray. In season 5 Changing Channels, Dean says something along the lines of “I wish this was a show”. This is a blatant reference to the REAL war of our time between humanity and Lucifer. While I originally did not like Changing Channels at all, this one sentence makes me see the entirety of it in a whole new light. It isn’t meta Supernatural, it is our very distinct reality. This gives me much hope for season 8, not just on an entertainment level, but on a spiritual one. If Jeremy Carver wrote that line, he knows full well of the true nature of Earth and of the spiritual war. Maybe that is why Kripke so adored the episode. In this new light, the 5 seasons come across as a master class in creation, and it wages a spiritual war against the dark forces that eventually overtook the show in seasons 6 and 7.

    “Dean: You’re not fooling me, you know that, with this “sympathy for the devil” crap. I know what you are.
    Lucifer/Sam: What am I?
    Dean: You’re the same thing only bigger, the same brand of of cockroach I’ve been squashing all my life — an ugly, evil, belly-to-the-ground supernatural piece of crap. The only difference between them and you is the size of your ego.”

    Thank you to Edlund for that quote. Thank you for Kripke for such a magnificent show. Hopefully, Carver can carry on where Kripke left off.

    Comment by Johno — August 30, 2012 @ 8:42 am

  35. Fantastic! I love Garth`s character. He is a welcome relief from the often-times emotionally heavy storylines. He is hilarious.

    Comment by Louise — August 30, 2012 @ 9:00 am

  36. @ CaseyT: I’ve said that I’m going to give Carver his chance to fix things, and I am; but with each new spoiler, I get more and more worried that they are banking on fan loyalty to the Js, while they soak the show for money. From the spoilers I’ve heard about S8 so far, I’m thinking, as you say, that the show has completely lost its mooring. I’m afraid, from what I know about S8, that Carver is going to try to make into something that the CW target audience will watch and to hell with us long-term viewers that have remained loyal viewers, in spite of what SG did to the show.

    When I look at what we know about S8 as a whole, the whole season is not shaping up into something indicates Carver is working to bring back what was lost:

    8.01: We Need To Talk About Kevin – which will introduce the new mytharc, re-unite the brothers, show how Dean got out of Purgatory and what Sam was up to while Dean was gone. From the title, we know that Kevin is tied heavily to the quest the brothers go on all season.

    8.02: What’s Up, Tiger Mommy – more Kevin stuff and, from the title, I assume it’s a somewhat comedic episode. Regardless, more talk about Kevin (if not the character himself) with a possibly recurring momma character.

    8.03: Heartache – According to JA, a one-off about Sam and his love story, although JA said Dean was in it.

    8.04: Bitten – According to spoilers, a gang of teenagers and light on Winchesters. It sounds like a one-off. There will be hand-held camera work like seen in Ghostfacers.

    8.05: Blood Brother – Benny/Eli introduced and Dean keeping him a secret from Sam. According to JA, light on Sam’s side of the story.

    8.06: Southern Comfort – The Garth episode (but he might possibly show up in 8.07). I don’t have any info on what the episode is about.

    8.07: A Little Slice of Kevin – Yet more Kevin stuff, that should most definitely include Kevin’s character (if he hasn’t been seen previously).

    Speaking for myself, this line-up sounds really, really weak and I’m not feeling warm and fuzzy at all. I don’t care anything about Kevin, Kevin’s mother, a bunch of teenagers re-doing the Ghostfacer episode, Amelia and Sam’s love story, and most definitely not about Garth.

    Of course, these are just assumptions on my part. It may not be anything like I’m feeling right now…but I’m really getting worried, in spite of being happy that Dean has a story and a new weapon.

    Comment by Sheri — August 30, 2012 @ 9:43 am

  37. sheri -episode 801-reunites the brothers- shows how dean gets out of purgatory. introduces us to benny- and introduces us to the NEW WEAPON. i am NOT thinking the weapon is a heavenly weapon-i am thinking more of a weapon that kills everything. from angels to demons to vamps. an all kill type. that comes from purgatory. a cross bow maybe-made out of a tree or bones of something in purgatory.

    episode 803 -jensens dad has a role in this episode. plus jensen directed it. should be interesting.

    one of the episodes-not sure which one -i am thinking 805 maybe-dean walks on a beach-i like the sound of that. (in the book i read -“A Year Gone”- dean was on a “pirate ship” and swam in the water and ended up on a beach. -wonder if they got the idea of dean walking on the beach from the book???

    thats all i got for now. still no edit button.

    Comment by animal — August 30, 2012 @ 1:23 pm

  38. @Animal you are correct and it sounds like the first 11 eppies will be Sam lite…as in Sam taking a stroll in the tall grass with Amelia , while Dean deals with Benny the vamp and keeping another secret from Sam. Basically same story …but the characters have been replaced by new ones.

    In season 4 , it was Dean rescued by Castiel ,while Sam had Ruby under the covers.

    In season 6 ..Domesticated Dean had Lisa and Ben ,while Sam ‘s secret was Souless Sam.

    In season 8 ,Dean is rescued by Benny ,while Sam takes a walk with Amelia and a dog.?

    Same recycled story but with Amelia being the new Lisa /Ruby type and Dean having his own secret and a new butt buddy.

    Comment by ozzie — August 30, 2012 @ 1:35 pm

  39. Kinda, he was a cool character but he’s kinda awkwardly lame most of the time :/

    Comment by ssp — August 30, 2012 @ 1:44 pm

  40. Oh, good, Ozzie’s back to bring us another dose of homophobia–and yes, butt buddy is a derogatory perjorative for gay men and therefore homophobic.

    And one episode being labelled by Jensen as Sam lite = the first 11 episodes are Sam lite? Sounds like someone’s trolling, or at least looking for reasons to hate.

    Speaking of which, I thought you were quitting the show. You’d think you’d get tired of coming around to spray your brand of hate all over the place, but apparently not.

    Now, there’s certainly the possibility that show will retread some of the same ground, and possibly make mistakes they’ve made before. I’m going into this with a healthy bit of skepticism, because Jeremy Carver isn’t going to be perfect. There’s also zero chance he’ll please everyone. But I’m not going in determined to hate everything, because there’s pretty much no way show will ever please you if that’s the viewmaster you’re using.

    Comment by emm — August 30, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  41. well i just watched an interview with carver-it sounds like s8 is setting up the same old angel/demon type story for s9 and s10. although he says we will see the angels and demons like we never saw them before???? what?????? that sounds ridiculous. if they are angels and demons-but there not angels and demons?? what????? if they are not angels and demons then for gawd sakes make the spn story about a new monster/baddie for s8 thru s10. and get rid of the da*n angels and demons. i am sick of them already.

    he also stated we will get lots of action and emotion this year. that sounds good and bad. -dean is supposed to be a badass again this season. crying (although jensen does it soooo well) i don’t want that from dean this year at all. carver also left a door open for bobby to return. someone tell me – how do you do that with anykind of sense to it??? sera ruined that character-there is no way he comes back in any way that makes sense. so i am seeing alot of good and alot of bad for s8. hopefully it comes across better than it sounds on the bad stuff.

    Comment by animal — August 30, 2012 @ 3:44 pm

  42. I’m with you, animal. I can’t see any way for Bobby to return that would make any sense at all. He’s gotten two send-offs already–I just don’t see why he needs to return. The boys coped with the loss of John, but suddenly Bobby was promoted to being their “real” father and they can’t function without him? Dean and Sam can stand on their own, and show should let them.

    I also share the glass half-full/half-empty mentality. There’s a lot of things that make me nervous in spoilers, but there are a lot of things that sound good or at least have potential to be interesting if done well. I am one of the people who can’t see how things can go much worse than they have the last few seasons, though. It seems like tempting fate, but for me ther’s nowhere to go but up at this point. At least I hope so. And since I’d like to go back to show’s S2 “Hope is kind of the point” mentality, I’m going to go with that.

    Comment by emm — August 30, 2012 @ 3:55 pm

  43. In regard to my last message, maybe I’m being a bit harsh on Sera. She did after all give us that tidbit on the souls, via Death.

    As for Carver following up on the angels and demons theme: it only supports what I said above. It’s REAL. That’s why they’re not so hastily abandoning the theme.

    Comment by Johno — August 30, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

  44. Good god Ozzie, enough of the butt buddy crap, it is really old and has had no place in Supernatural. Emm is right that it is homophobic and crass to boot.

    I am going to reframe from making any judgements on season 8 until I see season 8, even though I do love the idea of Dean being bad ass and perhaps having an awesome weapon! So often, the spoilers don’t live up to what I expect. I am looking so forward to Oct. 3rd. The only down fall is that I probably can’t get home by 9pm! Thank goodness for dvr’s!

    Comment by twinster — August 30, 2012 @ 4:23 pm

  45. johno-can you please explain to me about “REAL”?? and what you mean by “This is a blatant reference to the REAL war of our time between humanity and Lucifer. While I originally did not like Changing Channels at all, this one sentence makes me see the entirety of it in a whole new light. It isn’t meta Supernatural, it is our very distinct reality. ” I realy don’t understand what you are talking about.

    Comment by animal — August 30, 2012 @ 4:42 pm

  46. Well…auntie @EMM…I’an not a hater of the Winchester Brothers but definately not a lover of other characters on Supernatural and if you want to label be a gay butt lover, or Destiel hater or Troll then….by your hating words not mines let it be so blogged

    ….but at least Iam honest about my Supernatural P.O.V opinions..and have been since the pilot aired on September 13,2005 . *___*.

    As for the new Benny …Dean’s new friend…I’am already labeling this new relationship “Denny”. I figure if SPN Fans can make ”DESTIEL” , then why not there be ”DENNY” in Carver’s SPN’S season 8 ???

    I’ve been lied to & salted and burnned since Gambles mess in seasons 6 and 7 ….that I will decide on May of 2013 if Carver gets two thumps up from me …or my 2 middle fingers and McKayla Maroney bitch look ..via e-mail.

    As for skipping season 8 …Hell yeah I was…but some of my SPN Friends adviced me to just skip what I don’t like on Supernatural…and watch what I like.

    So the 8 eppies that Castiel / Misha is on I will skip and the Garth episode too I will skip…but I will DVR only the Sam & Dean episodes.

    If Carver brings back ghost Bobby then I will skip that eppie too. I’am only interested in Bobby in the flesh & Blood. Bitch Gambles should never had killed Bobby off twice.

    As Jim Beaver tweeted once …if you don’t like Supernatural then don’t watch. So I will not watch the stuff in season 8 …I don’t like.

    In season 7 ,I DVR every episode but in the End ..just kept Hello Cruel World and deleted the other 22 eppies.

    If Carver brings back Nerdy Becky in season 8 ,..then I will skip that eppie too.

    Comment by ozzie — August 30, 2012 @ 9:29 pm

  47. Actually the more I think about all the 7 seasons of Supernatural completed already..I have been deleting more episodes than keeping them in my DVR Box. Ratings too every year go down south…so I must be feeling what 2 million felt who stopped watching the series too.??

    Comment by ozzie — August 30, 2012 @ 9:38 pm

  48. ozzie, I know I’m asking a lot, but grow up – PLEASE.

    We “get” that you loathe Misha/Cas and you clearly have no “filter” when it comes to expressing your views. And not everyone associates male company on the show with some sort of shout-out to slash.

    As for your “friends” convincing you to watch, but only watch what you like, oh, how convenient. Or was it a case of “Oh, if I don’t watch it, then how can I come here and give my opinion (that you spout as if it’s fact) and bitch and moan about something I haven’t seen?” Personally, I didn’t believe for a second that you wouldn’t be watching because you can’t help yourself and the alternative was that you might actually had to go and find something else constructive to do with your time. Also, how will you know if you like it without watching it? Honestly, you are as see-through as cellophane.

    I think you’ve already pre-determined you’re going to find fault with the show. Your comment about being “lied to” by the showrunners is laughable. I’m sorry, but did they personally make specific promises to you? Clearly the show is not living up to your expectations, so move on and find something that does.

    Comment by Lisa — August 30, 2012 @ 11:03 pm

  49. Oh, I’m sorry–is it too hard for you to express your opinions without devolving into speech you know is offensive to others?

    Please. Being “honest” isn’t some blanket that means you’re allowed to be insulting and no one can call you out on it. You can tell yourself whatever you want, but there are many other Destiel haters on this board who can express that without resorting to obnoxious slurs. You’re not fooling anyone there.

    Actually, it seems to me you are really obsessed with the male on male aspects of the show. So maybe the writers aren’t the ones with the issue.

    Being a viewer from the first doesn’t make you a more priviliged viewer–I am, too, but that doesn’t make you better than someone who just got into show from the DVDs or who came in during S3. I didn’t care for S6 or S7 and felt burned by the PTB. Again, we’re not alone there, either. But as Lisa said, the showrunners are not beholden to me. They didn’t lie to me or break some trust with me personally. It’s their show, and they can do what they want. I don’t have to like it, but that’s not some OMG BETRAYAL!!!

    You quitting–a lot of people did that, too. I don’t blame anyone who did, or will quit–if it’s not your thing anymore, then you should. If you want to hang in, then do so, but again, if you go into this fully intent on hating everything you’re going to hate it. But I fully believe you’re going to watch–how else are you going to be able to come back here again so you can gift us all with more of your special brand of whine?

    Comment by emm — August 31, 2012 @ 3:05 am

  50. @33 there will be no I faked my own death with gabe. he have been able to fool Nala with the fake angel blade made of a can of diet slice but not with lucifer having been the one who killed him with an angels blade. the only way gabe can return is if god or maybe death would bring him back. Lucifer was able to kill gabe becuase he is the second strongest archangle and older than gabe but with that said anyone with an angelblade can kill an arch/angle. dean killed zach, cas went on an angel killing spree during S5 hell even meg killed an angel.

    Comment by Super TIme — August 31, 2012 @ 7:30 am

  51. @36 from what I have seen of SDCC Mark kept saying that he was waiting for the season to be named “oh Crowley” however of all the spoilers that I have heard he isn’t mentioned let alone taken center on any of them. whioh is odd since carver said that this season was going to be about a battle between angels and demons over control of heaven. Kevin, Kevin, Kevin…based on S7 that’s a character I’d like to see killed off quickly. He was annoying…and a bad actor.

    Comment by Super TIme — August 31, 2012 @ 7:41 am

  52. god I hope the theory of a ‘kill all weapon’ is wrong…that is a bad idea. people bitch all of the time that they “hate” cas beacuse he is a cure all to the winchesters problem…wouldn’t a kill all weapon be the same thing.

    Comment by Super TIme — August 31, 2012 @ 8:00 am

  53. Sheri– I actually like the spoilers I’ve seen about Dean. Sounds like he’ll be doing something and carrying some action, and that his motivation will not be to save Sam. We could get Sara’s Dean crying about his time in purgatory and whining for our sympathy, but I doubt it. I’m looking forward to the Dean-centric episodes. I’ll watch those.
    I watched SPN for the Sam story for two seasons. I know you did not, but I liked soulless Sam and the Sam-Lucifer bit last season. And, I liked Swan Song. I enjoy seeing Ackles and Padalecki given real work as actors–either one of them. As long as I know it is about one of the brothers I’ll give it a chance. To me it appears Sam will not be worth watching in season 8 as Dean wasn’t for me for two seasons; the writers seemed to have lost the ability to write interesting plots for both brothers. And, they simply cannot come up with any core story which binds the brothers together except Dean saving Sam. Sam saving an out of control Dean or in-peril Dean seems never to have occurred to anyone in charge.

    Apparently we are going to get lots of Castiel. Long ago lost any interest in Castiel. Liked the character at the beginning of season 4; he was frightening. Making him Dean’s buddy to me completely threw off the Dean/Sam core of the series. They missed a great chance to make the early season 4 Castiel a continuing character who could have been both an enemy and a friend of BOTH Winchesters. Instead they have tried to shoehorned an angel into the human family as Dean’s other brother. No way to do that without the angel become the center of attention and diminishing all the mere humans around him. Changed the series fundamentally and allowed the writers to dredge up old Charmed or even Bewitched plots to throw into SPN. Have no interest in watching Castiel episodes, and hopefully they will be well advertized, as in season 7, so I can avoid them.
    I’m not surprised or even disappointed that SPN has moved on from the early Dean and Sam which I was attracted to; it was too good to last on network tv. Krepki did a great job IMO in fending off Dawn O’s demands that SPN become a retread CW teen female soap and sticking to most of his original vision. Its commercial tv and it needs young consumers of breath mints and chewing gum–particularly young females who are the great future consumers in the US. If they want Castiel butt jokes, Destiel, weepy Dean, Sam in bed with his girlfriend, and assorted teen heroes, that’s apparently what they are going to get from Carver if the spoilers are to be believed.
    I do think however that in seasons 1-4, Supernatural was a truly exceptional network tv series: original in its treatment of two working class brothers, amazingly true in its male dialogue, entertaining in its action filled horror plots, wonderful at creating seasonal arcs and weaving those into often inventive standalones, and exceptionally entertaining for young and older adults as well as teens. It lost almost all of those characteristics under Sera. To me it is still something I’ll watch when I know the episode will be Dean or Sam heavy just to see Ackles and Padalecki do their thing, but unless the first few episodes of Carver’s years throw a great arc at me with Dean and Sam at its center, it will no longer be appointment tv for me.

    Comment by CaseyT — August 31, 2012 @ 8:06 am

  54. CaseyT, your feelings are very similar to mine. I don’t want to see pandering to a young coughsexobsessedcough audience. That’s not the Supernatural I loved to watch. I have been watching the last 3 seasons hoping for the show to reclaim what made it great and except for a few exceptional episodes, I’ve been disappointed. But that’s OK, I’m a big girl, and I can decide not to watch if there is more that I don’t like than what I like. But it is kind of sad. Jared and Jensen have been the only thing tying me to this show for awhile and I will continue to follow their careers after Supernatural ends.

    Comment by jace — August 31, 2012 @ 8:30 am

  55. @supertime-the differance is that it will be sam and dean that does the killing -saving THEMSELVES rather than a friggin angel saving the day every single darn time. imo. but we don’t know yet what the weapon is or what exactly it does. just that it is jensens favorite all time weapon at this point. so lets see what happens.

    Comment by animal — August 31, 2012 @ 1:04 pm

  56. If it is some kind of “kill all” weapon, it’s a bit superfluous, as they already have the Colt and Ruby’s knife, which between them can kill all but 5 things in the universe (as Lucifer pointed out, which is…an odd number).

    Comment by G-Dawg — August 31, 2012 @ 1:57 pm

  57. At least Iam honest with my feelings and Opinions @Auntie EMM. *________*.

    Comment by ozzie — August 31, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

  58. Is that supposed to be an excuse?

    Comment by emm — August 31, 2012 @ 7:33 pm

  59. Being honest isn’t a get out of jail free card from people taking issue with what you say or how you say it, as anyone on a message board should know. If you want to hate the show, the characters, the actors, etc, that’s your perogative. I really don’t care. I’m not sure why you would want to spend this much time on something you clearly don’t enjoy anymore, but that’s your business. All I’m saying is it can be done without using slurs that are known to be offensive to others. Plenty of other posters here can manage it just fine.

    Comment by emm — August 31, 2012 @ 7:44 pm

  60. I don’t make excuses for who I am and what I like and dislike.

    I signed on to watch Supernatural in the pilot in 2005 … to watch Sam & Dean doing the family business…hunting & fighting evil in the back roads of America in Dean’s baby.

    I did not commit my time to watch the writers park the impala and see Dean and Sam ride on an angels wings.

    You are also 100% correct about the writers owning SPN Fans nothing / nada.

    …but I will voice my opinions against the writers ruiining a series that was once kick ass action…filled with Rock & Roll , Jerk / Bitch moments…and 5 million strong in the ratings at the WB .

    Comment by ozzie — August 31, 2012 @ 8:22 pm

  61. I for one still love Supernatural the way it is. I don’t really care if Garth comes back or not, as long Dean and Sam are I’m happy.

    Comment by supernaturalgirl67 — September 1, 2012 @ 6:10 am

  62. and the writers won’t care. give up, Ozzie and find yourself another show to watch.

    Comment by Nathalie — September 1, 2012 @ 6:13 am

  63. I will watch only the Sam and Dean episodes in season 8…my friend works for a Media Company and has the Inside Scoops on shows eppies coming up.

    She was at Comic Con and met the Js and Misha. She said Misha was vey funny and she liked him alot…but I told her I ‘am not into him.

    My friend was at Comic Con for other shows she loves …like this Biker series on Cable and the Walking Dead.

    She works in New York but FLIES for her company to other sites. She told me that Falling Skies is on the edge of not lasting too long …which shocked the crap out of me…cause I love that series.

    She promised to bring me back a Walking Dead T-shirt on her next visit to my place.

    Part of her job is to watch unaired tv shows and rate how they are b4 they hit the tv screen.

    She wanted me to aply for a Neilsons box and I was like please that is so outdated.

    I told her that they need tv s with rating systems in them . Go figure.

    My friends Name is Maria…and no I can’t give more info on her or the Media company she works for ..because she could get fired from her job.

    She told me ..that she’d let me know ahead of time what SPN eppies I could DVR that I favored. I told her to let me know only about the heavy Sam and Dean epppies. *_______*.

    Comment by ozzie — September 1, 2012 @ 6:46 am

  64. Garth is alright I think he is the antithesis to Sam and Dean in what the audience views as a hunter.

    Ozzie is entitled to her opinion she isnt the only one to voice negative ones or controversial ones or watch for specific reasons .

    Comment by Sarah — September 1, 2012 @ 7:04 am

  65. wow ozzie-i am surprised about falling skies as well. i loved s1- kinda liked s2 (again the series was about a family in a fight w/evil beings and then in s2 the family aspect went away and i kinda got disinterested. especially the hal/mason dynamic was lost totaly in s2. i mean in the season finale hal is uncontious and mason never calls out his name or checks on him??? i am sure it was an editing thing but thats not what i signed up for. now they have anna pregnant with masons baby??? they are jumping the shark already?? kinda a disappointment for me.

    Comment by animal — September 1, 2012 @ 7:53 am

  66. my favorite character lordes was barely used -she is a great actress but never was utilized. not in an important way. and the hal/maggie thing-gawd i hated maggie-miss drama queen all around. but all shows have characters you love to hate. even supernatural. and falling skies.

    Comment by animal — September 1, 2012 @ 7:56 am

  67. Addressing the point in Post #66 about Garth being an antithesis to Sam and Dean.

    I don’t know if that was what was intended with Garth’s character. I am inclined to think that he was just there for comedy relief. But if it was, this is why he doesn’t work for me in every way.

    The Ghostfacers showed civilians, amateurs, playing at what Sam and Dean do, and that really worked for me. It was a real contrast in the life of a hunter and what normal, everyday people would do — LARPing their fantasies.

    Garth, on the other hand — and by bringing him back to help the brothers on a case — plus giving him the POV in that episode, clearly put an effective, joke of a hunter squarely into the hunting community. And he did have the POV, because he was the character who addressed the elephant in the room; that being Bobby the ghost.

    Since Garth is now an equal hunter — although a hunter that is not at the top of the food chain as Sam and Dean are supposed to be — he diminishes the whole concept of hunting as a noble thing and hunters as heroes. Seriously, if Garth can do it, so could I, and so could those kids from Swap Meat. Remember, too, that Garth has a girlfriend with twins, loves to soak in hot tubs with his girl (and can afford rooms with hot tubs), he enjoys all the pleasures of life, while Sam and Dean wallow in the difficulty of hunting, wallow in the sorrows that hunting has brought them, wallow in their grief for lost loves and normalcy, lost all their family and friends, and lost all joy and pleasures they used to find in the simple things of life, including each others companionship, rock music, big pretzels, and Magic Fingers. How does that make them look? Like a couple of idiots that don’t have enough sense to give up hunting and try different lives. We have Sam, having lost all confidence and all self-assurance in himself — and most of his intelligence, I think. We have Dean swigging that alcohol and popping pills. But, by God, there is Garth, just living the good life.

    Think of how much better Party On, Garth would have been if someone like Rufus, Lee, or that Mackey guy were used.

    Both Garth and Frank got very mixed reviews from the fan postings I have read. If they would have used Jody Mills, who everyone in general likes, it would have been a better episode. And they are STILL bringing him back! Even if they try to rehabilitate his character from the ineffective village idiot he has been shown to be in those past two episodes, that image of him is set in my mind and I’ll have a hard time warming up to the character.

    Not only that, S7 developed guest characters AT THE EXPENSE of Sam and Dean’s characters. Garth was one of those, as was Krissy The Adolescent Superhunter. That, too, will make it impossible for me to get over village idiot hunter Garth, even if they try to make him better.

    Comment by Sheri — September 1, 2012 @ 8:23 am

  68. Garth, the character, was written as a joke from the beginning- a laugh point in a show that does not need such laughter. Dean and Sam provide their own humor in the right context and right quantity. To have a character on the show just to be a buffon is an insult to the show and to the fans watching it.

    The only reason “Garth” is coming back to the series is because D.J. Qualls is a friend of Jared.

    The character left no positive imprint on the show that would warrent his return. It is a bad forecast for the new season when such a character is this is highlighted by the PTB as a positive thing.

    Comment by SL — September 1, 2012 @ 1:39 pm

  69. @ SL #70: I didn’t know until you posted it that Qualls is a friend of JP. That explains everything, doesn’t it? I have to agree with you that this isn’t good news, if that is what determines whether TPTB stick with a character that received such a mixed reaction from the fans and added nothing to the show (except, in my case, mega annoyance). It also explains why he got a personal call from SG asking if he would appear in the first place. I’m calling BS on the whole deal.

    I’m still calling for EDIT BUTTON. On my Post #69, the 4th paragraph down, that should be “ineffective,” not “effective.”

    Comment by Sheri — September 1, 2012 @ 3:22 pm

  70. DJ Qualls is a friend of Jared’s but I believe that didn’t happen until after he was a guest star on Supernatural. He developed many of his friendships with other actors on the show. I just don’t really know if that is true since I never saw them tweet each other or follow each other on Twitter until after DJ was on the show. He usually at least follows his friends and tweets them occasionally.

    I don’t really think the actors have much influence there and I don’t think it’s fair to blame the actors for that. Many times they have stuck with actors and plots that were not all that popular.

    Comment by Sara — September 1, 2012 @ 4:19 pm

  71. “The only reason “Garth” is coming back to the series is because D.J. Qualls is a friend of Jared.”

    And you know this how?

    DJ and Jared are twitter buddies from what I understand and they hit it off the first time he appeared on the show. He calls Jensen his buddy too. Although some fans dislike the character, Garth does seem to have quite a few fans and he would be one of the few remaining allies along with Jody that Sam would have around.

    The guys are good friends with a lot of former costars and have publicly called for them to come back at cons and such but it hasn’t happened just because they want it to.

    This is what DJ Qualls said about coming back to the show at a con earlier this year. Con report from WFB.

    “DJ Qualls admitted that it was Sera Gamble who brought him on to the show and he’s now worried that the new showrunner won’t have him in mind since he’d like to be back. He flat out stated that he hated the 1st script; and was deeply wary of coming back the second time, even though he very much liked the atmosphere and his friendship with Jensen and Jared.

    He also said that Sera Gamble was the one who invited him back. He said when he mentioned this to the crew they were astonished and was told she normally does not call the actors. He agreed to return on one condition: a better script. Gamble said there was no script as yet but that the gist of it was about a spirit you can only see when you’re drunk. She also explained his role in it and he accepted. So it seems the part was written specifically with DJ Qualls in mind.”

    Comment by beth w — September 1, 2012 @ 4:22 pm

  72. Why do people go around blaming the actor and pointing the finger at them with their conspiracy theories instead of assigning blame where it belongs like a logical person would do? The writers and producers are responsible for who comes back or not and you cannot prove the contrary. The actors deserve more respect than that. You wouldn’t have a show if it weren’t for them. It’s beyond me why fans are always trying to say they are at fault. Or maybe it’s just actor bias. Would you say the same if he were a friend of Jensen? I have to ask.

    Comment by Ly — September 1, 2012 @ 4:26 pm

  73. Are we still complaining about silly, slightly sweet Garth being in one or two episodes when the dreadfulness that is Castiel is apparently all over the place in 8 episodes. I agree with CaseyT. I hope they advertise them so I can avoid them. And, just FYI, on the Dreadful Paula and her 5 Angry Fans site, one of her fans referred to all Sam-fans as having the mental illness of “narcissistic personality disorder.” Really. I’m a lawyer and (I hope) creative writer, but I couldn’t make that one up. They continue to supply me with evidence to support my contention that the little fanzine can never sue me for libel/slander. I can say anything and truth is such a defense. To be fair, Dreadful Paula objected to this abomination, but this was after she had referred to the Sam-fan reaction to news as “nerds” and ended her objection with the comment that Sam is a jerk.

    Comment by RS — September 1, 2012 @ 4:40 pm

  74. Sorry I don’t buy the blatant lies from the Jared haters who can’t even remotely back up what they’re saying. Now I’M calling BS .

    Comment by Po — September 1, 2012 @ 5:02 pm

  75. And why is it ALWAYS the Sam fans that turn every single conversation into a Sam/JP and Dean/JA thing? Could you people just stop…please. Both Sam and Dean will always be on the show. There’s nothing to argue about except for points as relates to the show.

    And, yes, Ly, I would have said the same thing. Jensen has had his sister in a non-speaking, brief appearance and his father provided voice work for another episode (a newscaster, I think). His father will appear in one of the episodes this season. I can’t remember which episode number, but I saw pictures of him and his wife deplaning in Vancouver. I don’t know how big of a role it is, but I like his father’s acting. I don’t know what kind of a character he will be, but if it’s a village idiot, I sure as hell will call him out on that. I don’t expect it to be too big of a role, however, since there was not a casting call for it.

    For the record, whether or not D. J. Qualls is a friend of JP’s or JA’s or SG’s, it does not change the fact that his character on the show is a village idiot and the character received very mixed reviews from the fans. I have stated why I think his character does not fit SPN. That has nothing to do with ANY actor. In fact, I think he looks like a pretty good actor, and he did seem to have rapport with both JA and JP in his scenes, even if his character sucked.

    The gist of my post is that even if they try to rehabilitate Garth’s character into something that resembles a hunter, it is not going to work for me. We already know he’s coming back, and nothing can be done about that.

    Comment by Sheri — September 1, 2012 @ 6:47 pm

  76. Sorry, for some reason, my post posted all by itself before I finished. I just wanted to add to RS #75 that Cas will be in the season for a minimum of 8 episodes. I fully expect there to be more. In fact, I’m inclined to think that he is going to get a third of the season for his story. We don’t know that yet, of course, but I think it’s safe to say that he’s here to stay until the show goes off the air — which means more angels probably, and that worries me. I don’t see how you can have angels without angel storylines, and I’d prefer if Carver would take the show in some other direction.

    Comment by Sheri — September 1, 2012 @ 6:54 pm

  77. What a bunch of asses post here! I am not blaming Jared in any way for DJ Qualls being on the show. Such “conspiracy fanatics” on this forum. I am stating that the only reason the actor is on the show is because he has a good friend on the show and Qualls is a likeable guy. Jensen’s Dad is going to be in the episode he is directing. I guess I am “blaming” him also. Some of you people are so ridiculous with your fanaticism you should lock yourselves up!

    Qualls is a friend of Jared’s. FACT. You don’t like it too effing bad.

    The character sucks and should not be brought back.

    Really, some of you people here should really try to get a life and pull yourselves out of Jared’s ass! He needs security to protect him from idiots like you.

    Comment by SL — September 1, 2012 @ 7:04 pm

  78. @SL

    Wow classy. What are you 12?

    Comment by K — September 1, 2012 @ 7:38 pm

  79. Honestly I think some fans seem to forget that what they like or don’t like on the show should dictate what does or doesn’t happen on the show. I know what the fans think is important, but they are under no obligation to honor fans’ wishes. It is their show and they do not have to do anything based on what some of the fans want. Sure they should listen to the fans but they don’t have to and sometimes they won’t always. Honestly, we’re lucky they even consider how the fans feel. Many producers of other shows could care less.

    However, Garth was popular with some fans. And I don’t believe anyone can say why a character is returning unless you sat in the room with the writers and producers. You may not like it but that doesn’t mean they are bringing back a character just because he’s buddies with someone. It could be the writers like the character and don’t care what the fans feel, or personally like the actor (they often bring back actors they like) or they believe the character wasn’t too unlikable. No one can say for sure. You can have your theories if you want but only those in charge really know why they are bringing him back.

    Comment by Zee — September 1, 2012 @ 7:49 pm

  80. Of course TPTB can write characters any way they want, use whatever actors they want to play those characters, and take the show in whatever direction they want, and that kind of does go along with the news that Garth is returning.

    I wished they would give us back a kickass hunter Dean and a competent, intelligent, non-supercharged Sam — you know, those two guys we had before any inept fool and teenager could be a hunter.

    I wished they would give us back a show that was about loving, loyal brothers — you know, when the show was about a Winchester family and before Dad was turned into an abusive jerk and had to be replaced by a Yoda Step-Father who could control the force, before one brother was turned into a supernatural monster, and the other into a handwringing bag of wuss who took to booze and pills because he just didn’t have what it takes to be a hunter.

    I wished they give us back a unique horror show that spanned the back roads of America — you know, before an angel fixed everything, including any threat of death and injury, and who could overcome its own asexuality to get hard on for a demon.

    The TPTB don’t have to do any of that, of course. They can give us teenagers who save experienced hunters and write episodes for all the Charlie, Garth, Becky, Frank, and Stark characters they want. They can continue to use the Winchesters as wallpaper to showcase all the new characters they dream up (as the prevalence of Kevin in S8 appears to suggest).

    But if that happens, they will lose viewers, because it is kind of a partnership — they write, we watch — kind of deal. They may get lucky and pick up enough new viewers from Netflix and Green Arrow who like the kind of crap that has been shown these past two years. But that is a big, big risk for a show in its 8th season. It would be so much easier for them to fix what they broke, rather than risk picking up new viewers who lack long memories. I’m hoping they do that…but Garth returning is not a good start.

    Comment by Sheri — September 2, 2012 @ 2:46 am

  81. K: Classy? The only “class” that applies to you is “LOW”.

    Don’t sit “in the writers’ room” but I am entitled to my own ideas as to what is happening on the show as any other poster here.

    You don’t have to like it but that doesn’t matter to me. ALOT of what the fanatics on this site post I don’t like.

    There are people here like Sheri that actually want to discuss theories and ideas.

    And then there are others here like “K” who wish only to spew venom on anyone who disagrees with them.

    I enjoy reading Sheri’s ideas even when I don’t agree with them.

    But the few slugs here that like to post their conspiracy theories and their hate: I will give it right back with no hesitation at all.

    Comment by SL — September 2, 2012 @ 6:32 am

  82. @sl-well if you want to “blame” jensen you can because he did call his dad and told him to get on a plane and do this little role on the show. (i think it is an FBI agent) but i would have to go back to the video to check. it was jensen’s idea. i personally love that his dad worked with him on his directing episode. infact jared joked that his father really didn’t want to because he didn’t want to be directed by the son he had to tell what to do for so long.

    I am really not feeling the hate or disapproval of some of you reguarding qualls /garth-he was a hunter that had a differant way of doing things. we don’t know his back story -so we don’t know why he became a hunter. but he was the dork hunter who was a good guy. yea so he had a “girlfriend” so– both dean and sam had/will have a girlfriend. there was that one hunter married couple in the magnificent seven. they had a child. so it can happen. it has been canon that hunters can have relationships that work. just not OUR hunters. (dean and sam). there was also the hunter that sam killed in the episode he was possessed by meg-he also had a kid. so not feeling the hate you guys are showing the garth character.

    although i didn’t feel the hate for the jo character back in s2 either. i thought jo was a good character and i liked the chemistry between alona and jensen.

    @SL-you know calling people fanatics and slugs ect… does not add anything to the conversation. yea k was rude-but i would have ignored it. but you have directly insulted quite a few posters here calling people names even though you didn’t name them by name. but still. i don’t consider anyone here any of that. we discuss, we disagree, some have STRONG feeling reguarding certain aspects of spn, —– so what. make your case and they counter. its called conversation. just sayin!! peace!!

    Comment by animal — September 2, 2012 @ 9:35 am

  83. @81-sheri-supposedly we are getting a kickass dean with more edge and a new weapon. s8e1 is were all of that is introduced to the audience. we will find out quickly who and what dean is like.

    i think the little horror show that could is gone. carver sounds like angels and demons are center to his story. we’ll see if the audience is gonna be happy with that. i personally don’t think so. inface at the vancon when jared mentioned misha coming back as castiel. there were no cheers or yays -just silence. only when he said misha was doing the con cruise did some people yell yay. that doesn’t sound like the cas/angel/demon thing is going to go over with the audience.imo.

    jared also mentioned that in s8 there will be brotherly conflict again. i am hoping that means arguments but not the stomping off -going separate ways because i am mad and a little child type of thing. carver said there were going to be alot of emotional scenes this year. can’t have those unless we are invested in the characters so then we can feel with them. right now i don’t want a crying scene between the brothers. they have been too alienated from each other for me to believe that they would cry for any reason. but thats just me.

    Comment by animal — September 2, 2012 @ 9:45 am

  84. Animal: You think I am rude- ignore me. Just like you told me to do to K. Don’t preach to me. Just sayin! peace!

    Comment by SL — September 2, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

  85. @ animal #85. What you say about S8 is exactly why I am worried. I am definitely going to give Carver his chance, just because he has promised a kickass Dean and both brothers being proactive in their quest. There’s a lot of stuff in the spoilers that I have not been excited about — Sam’s love interest, Cas and Kevin getting so much story emphasis (the angels and demon thing you mention), and old home week.

    That’s interesting about the Van Con and Misha. I haven’t bothered to watch any of the utubes with the panels, and that’s because the spoilers haven’t given me the anticipation that, I think, they are supposed to do. I did watch Comic Con, and the one thing that interested me there was that Carver seemed to have a plan for the season and that Dean had a story. Then spoilers started indicating that Dean’s story might only last until winter break.

    Sam’s love interest is planned for all season, I think, because Carver said there was the possibility that Sam and Amelia would re-unite towards the end of the season.

    Then there was the spoiler that Cas would be in a minimum of 8 episodes — that’s a third of the season.

    Then the titles came out, with three named specifically towards Kevin, and my bubble for S8 started losing air.

    Given that culmination of spoilers, if I run across them, I look or listen, but I don’t go looking for them. I’ll be there for the season premiere and hope it rocks my boat.

    Comment by Sheri — September 2, 2012 @ 2:23 pm

  86. I wish they would release a “trailer” for the new season. I have seen several for other series (the Fringe one looked good) but nothing for SN.

    Comment by SL — September 2, 2012 @ 2:29 pm

  87. I like Garth. He’s the first hunter we’ve met who’s a normal person. However, I’d prefer to see Gabriel, Chuck, young John and Mary, Ash or Andy back first. I really loved Andy, I was so sad when he died. i know there’s no reason to bring him back,or really any of them back, but I don’t care, I miss them.

    Comment by Jessie — September 2, 2012 @ 2:57 pm

  88. It’s only an observation. I don’t find namecalling very mature. Sorry you can’t face the music. I don’t care if you think I’m rude I”m sure many who very insulted by your comments and didn’t deserve to be. What goes around comes around get over it. I said like 5 words.

    Comment by K — September 2, 2012 @ 6:52 pm

  89. Will someone please slap SL in the face like she deserves?

    Comment by Solo — September 2, 2012 @ 6:54 pm

  90. I find nothing remotely interesting about the new season apart from Sam’s dog. Nothing peaks my interest at all. I don’t care to see Dean buddy up with Benny and ESPECIALLY not Cas. I could care less about Kevin. And I find Sam’s love story mundane. I’ll give it a chance but I may not hang around very long if I don’t like what I see.

    Comment by Sara — September 2, 2012 @ 7:00 pm

  91. Ah, k and solo: I wish we could meet. So easy to call name and make threats when you are hiding behind a keyboard. Would love to see either of you try to do it to my face. But cowards like you skulk in the dark corners and slither among the trash. Wouldn’t waste my spit on you.

    Sam’s dog is of interest to me. Garth and Kevin, not at all. I hope Benny doesn’t turn out to be another comedian like Crowley and Lucifer. And Cas- for me- he should be a background player making an occasional appearence. As for Sam’s “love story”- not interested at all. But I wouldn’t be interested if it was Dean’s “love story” either. Romance has no place on this show.
    I just want to see Dean and Sam in the Impala- working together- and hunting creatures. I don’t think that is too much to ask for.

    Comment by SL — September 2, 2012 @ 7:26 pm

  92. I have to say that I don’t care anything about the dog, love interests, babies, or teenagers; nor do I care to see hunters that are ‘normal.’ When I watch a show or movie, I want the heroes to be ordinary people (not super-charged people) who do extraordinary things. In the sense that Garth has been shown, it means that a normal person/hunter is to be laughed at; not taken seriously, is inept and ineffective, and is downright annoying.

    When I think of a dog, I think of “Lucky” watching Mandy undress and take a shower the morning after having eaten her human boyfriend alive (All Dogs Go To Heaven). Then I get to wondering why the alphas were building armies, because that was never explained. Then I wonder why Dean helped Lucky get away, since Lucky was a lonely monster and would probably fall for another hapless woman with a hapless kid and kill again — he was a MOTW, right??? Anyway, Lucky was a handsome German Shepherd, but WTH purpose was he? Doesn’t matter. Only reminds me of a truly awful season that was followed by an even worse one.

    Sam’s dog will have a purpose, though, and that’s good. Sam hits it with his car, I think, and takes it to meet….wait for it….his love interest. There’s a reason for a dog in the show. That’s good. Dogs are cute. Maybe there will be a reason for a love interest in the show. Doesn’t matter; I’m not interested.

    I’m right there with you, Sara. Low expectations and short of patience after four years (one bad, two awful, and one thrown out seasons). The man deserves a chance, but I’m done being played with. If Carver’s intention is to turn SPN into something young CW teenagers will like, I’ll check out.

    Comment by Sheri — September 2, 2012 @ 8:44 pm

  93. odd, of all the bits of info coming out the dog is the most innocuous tidbit, or at least I thought so. I don’t think Benny is supposed to be a friend. As I understood it he’s something dark and threatening. I could be wrong of course but that was my impression. Not interested in any love story myself.

    Jessie @87, sorry I don’t see Garth as anything resembling normal. If anything I find him a screw ball freak. Just my opinion. I liked Andy a lot to but you’re right. There is no excuse to bring him back.

    Sheri @ 85, it has been said Castiel will be in eight episodes but the report didn’t say the eight episodes would be about Castiel. As Castiel is in peremptory with Dean it’s a good bet part of those appearances will be explaining what happened to Dean and perhaps who exactly Benny is. Not that it will be Castiel’s story.

    As for Kevin, consider this. The pilot was about a woman in white, the second was a windego and the third a spirit in the water. Catch my drift. Just because Kevin is an important figure in the episode doesn’t mean it rotates around him.

    Maybe I’m just dreaming but I’m not going to give up hope. As they used to say in my day ‘keep the faith baby’.

    Comment by Haley 56 — September 2, 2012 @ 8:45 pm

  94. @ Haley 56: I seem to remember Carver saying in one of the Comic Con interviews that Cas would weigh heavily in the last part of the season. I can take Cas or leave him, and the only problem I have with the character is that (a) S6 was given to him; (b) I am so very tired of the angel story; and (c) I absolutely do not want more Misha playing Cas playing Misha. I saw no sense in that at all. He is here to stay, but I think he’s outlived his shelf life.

    Kevin wasn’t written as that great of a character. He was a stereotypical Asian teenager, excelling at everything because of demanding parents — in this case, his mother. The actor did a good job in acting a phone-in character; it’s just that the character was boring. Prophet Chuck as a drunk who called prostitutes in on the day the world was ending was a much more creative character than Kevin in AP classes that looked wide-eyed and scared, but oh so brave in the face of danger.

    I don’t dislike Kevin like I do Garth, but I would have been happy never to see the character return, because he was another attempt at trying for humor and failing — which was the norm for S7.

    The woman in white, the wendigo, and the water spirit were MOTW shown at a time in the show when each week would be a mini-movie and cover some urban legend. They were the topic of the episode, not recurring characters.

    I don’t think Kevin will get as much press as Cas and Amelia, because Carver said the brothers would be on a quest for something important that they very much valued (but may not be aware of that fact) from way back to S1. The only thing I can think of from that season is Mary, but even Mary wasn’t valuable to Sam, because he never knew her.

    John is no longer valuable to Dean, because he thinks he was a deadbeat dad.

    It could just be normalcy which, apparently, now both Dean and Sam always longed for, but that would be boring and sink the show. So, any guesses on what the quest object is?

    Comment by Sheri — September 2, 2012 @ 11:14 pm

  95. SL,

    you stated the only reason DJ is coming back is that he is Jared’s friend. The implication being that it is Jared who is inflicting Garth on the unwilling audience. Of course, people will call you on it when you make a statement like that with no proof but your own imagination, which is not a credible source.

    While it is true that DJ is friends with Jared and DJ is coming back to the show, this does not indicate cause and effect. You can’t make that jump in logic. Little cameos by Jensen’s family members are not the same as a big supporting character part. And we do know that it was Sera that courted DJ for the show, twice.

    Comment by beth w — September 3, 2012 @ 7:53 am

  96. Sheri @94, The point I was making with the woman in white the wendigo and the water spirit is that they were discussed at length and were the focus of the boys attention but were not center stage yet if one asked what the episode was about the answer would be a woman in white or a wendigo or a water spirit.

    Comment by Haley 56 — September 3, 2012 @ 7:59 am

  97. Seasons 1 & 2 were great because though we learned who JW, JESSICA, MARY, THE YED & demom Meg and Bobby and Ellen & Ash & Jo were …EK made sure that Sam and Dean were up front the main core and focus of Supernatural.

    In season 3 when in RedSky Morning more focus was on Bela ..EK apologized for that mess via Chuck’s rantings.

    Comment by ozzie — September 3, 2012 @ 8:06 am

  98. @95-sheri you know i am all for the amulet-but they know the value of it at this point. so -other than the amulet maybe helping them find the other two tablets i don’t think that is what it is. althought i think that would be a great story line. imo

    don’t know what the quest object is. the colt was introduced in s1, but they still have that don’t they??? bobby was introduced on s1 -but he is not an object. i am thinking somethin in the early seasons that could have been angel/demon related but they/we didn’t know it at the time. since the last half of the season is cas’ centered-and that means angel/demon centered -i think that is why the “object” is needed in the first place- remember carver said or edlund said something about putting the angels back in heaven and the demons back in hell???? thats why the amulet would make sense but don’t know.

    Comment by animal — September 3, 2012 @ 8:23 am

  99. The amulet was thrown away by Dean and many of us prayed that Sam took it back and told Dean nothing about it.

    If after Dean threw away the amulet ..we learn from Carver that Sam never recovered it back,…. then thats like Sam (in my opinion) throwing a part of Dean away..a part of their past relationship…and it would be for me like a 2nd betrayal from Sam towards Dean.

    If the amulet its really a powerful piece of stone that can locate God , like Castiel once said ,then it would make sense for season 8 to be more angel vs Demons and explain Carver needing Castiel at the end of season 8…Big problem is however that many, many fans are fed up with angels on SPN after 3 seasons of them.

    Comment by ozzie — September 3, 2012 @ 10:39 am

  100. @ animal #100. I have kind of dismissed the amulet as the object, because the value of that piece of jewelry wasn’t known until S3.

    I had forgotten that Edlund (I believe it was) said something about putting the angels back in Heaven and the demons back in Hell. I guess I’m not convinced that is going to happen until the end of the Show, though, because Cas will be around. I really don’t even have a guess about the quest object, because S1 lacked an over-arching mythology.

    I don’t know where the Colt is these days. I can’t even remember when we last saw it. Was that in Frontierland and they left in on the ground? They still have Ruby’s knife.

    S. E. Hinton was tweeting that there was conflict between the brothers in 8.05, but that it was a “I’m worried about you,” kind of conflict, and not the huffing off in a snit kind…so that’s good. Hinton also said there were Levis and ghouls. Also that it appeared Dean and Cas have kissed and made up — She said Dean appears to be very protective of Cas.

    She also said the script was well-written and that it’s good to see good lines given to good actors.

    Also, that Sam and Dean both had flashbacks in the episode and that the Purgatory sets were great.

    Comment by Sheri — September 3, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  101. i know this is going to sound a bit arrogant-but just because s.e. hinton says a script is well written and “it’s good to see good lines given to good actors”- doesn’t make me go yea!!! she is a writer (not for spn -she is just a fan of spn-she also had a cameo in s7’s slash fiction). like the rest of us spn fans -she has her favorite character/characters. and if she writes like edlund-i haven’t liked much of his writing for a while- that isn’t a bode of confidence for me. and i find it odd that she tweets so much about the actors while she is on set. its probably just me but its odd to me. its seems lame to me.

    Comment by animal — September 3, 2012 @ 12:16 pm

  102. @ozzie-i find your opinion on the amulet odd. you say that because sam never picked the amulet up that it is like a second betrayal to dean. i find that odd because dean is the one who thru it away in the first place. not sam. both dean and sam were disheartened at this point. the amulet didn’t reflect the love between two brothers anymore at this point of the story. it meant more of a disappointment to all associated with it. dean, sam and cas were all disappointed with god, who the amulet was supposed to be “connected” with. so for sam not to dig it out of the trash seems likely to me. it was that last peace of hope that the brothers had. and it let them down. so to speak. imo.

    Comment by animal — September 3, 2012 @ 12:39 pm

  103. Re: the amulet. I don’t expect we’ll be seeing that thing again. That’s just my opinion, because Jensen said it would hit his teeth when he ran. I don’t think we’ll see any of Dean’s jewelry back.

    My personal view of the amulet is that I don’t care whether we ever see it again or not. That’s just me, of course, and it comes from the total deconstruction of Dean as a character and the mythical brother bond that we haven’t seen in four years now. It means nothing at this point in the story, as far as I am concerned, as I am sure that we won’t see the two characters it was associated with again. If they are now ‘mature’ men who have outgrown the need to be attached at the hip, the amulet wouldn’t have the same meaning as it used to.

    Also, if it is a God-finding tool, then that means that either a demon or an angel had to go into the motel room after the boys left and retrieve it. How can that be, when they were using hex bags to keep the demons from knowing where they were and angel sigils on their ribs to keep the angels from finding them? That would be a plot hole — and I hope we are done with the giant canon-eating plot holes of the past few years.

    If the amulet was a symbol of lost hope, I don’t really care to see that hope that God will step in and do something story revived. We’ve had enough of God, dick angels, war in Heaven, and war between angels and demons, thank you very much. I want the Winchesters back at the front of the story.

    If it does show up, it won’t be something I would rail against, though.

    As far as S. E. Hinton is concerned, I’m sure she is one of those fans that is ecstatic about everything SPN dishes up. However, for those of us holding onto hope for the new season with no past experience in the last three to four years to base that on, it is a positive view. That’s something, isn’t it?

    Comment by Sheri — September 3, 2012 @ 1:30 pm

  104. beth w: you can intepret and twist statements to fit anything you want it to. Conspirators on this site- all fanatics about Sam and Jared- do that all the time.

    And no, I “don’t know” that Sera “courted” DJ Qualls for the show. I don’t know Sera and I have never been in her office so I don’t know what she thought or planned.

    Simply put: the character of Garth does not have any valid reason to return to the show. But being a friend of one of the stars of the show sure does help the actor who portrays that character get a return stint.

    Go ahead conspirators- make your fanatical accusations once again.

    I stick with my opinion. And that is exactly what it is. Don’t like it? Too darn bad for you.

    Comment by SL — September 3, 2012 @ 2:51 pm

  105. SL, what I find sad is that some posters will take your comments and try to start a Sam vs. Dean hate war. I was really amazed at some of the comments I read earlier. Geesh.

    Comment by twinster — September 3, 2012 @ 7:50 pm

  106. twinster: Thank You. I by no means was blaming Jared or downing him in anyway by my statement and yet the fanatics came out (as usual) with their raving attacks. Sad little people they are.

    Comment by SL — September 3, 2012 @ 9:30 pm

  107. garth? yuck. no thanks.

    Comment by Lori — September 4, 2012 @ 2:52 am

  108. once upon a time….supernatual is just a TELEVISION SHOW!!!! I still love it. To me it is an hours entertainment once a week. Long may it reign!!

    Comment by ann costen — September 4, 2012 @ 5:46 am

  109. We do know that Sera courted DJ because he said it and I posted the quote. You are welcome to your opinion but when you state it as fact of course it will be challenged. Come on, it’s the internet. THe Dean/Jensen fans and the Cas/Misha fans rally too when they think their guy is being dissed.

    You said you had no ulterior motives, OK, but it sounded very much like ragging on Jared when you posted it which is why you got the response you did.
    But go ahead and play the victim as always.

    Comment by beth w — September 4, 2012 @ 6:30 am

  110. I am really happy that Garth is going to be back, just for the relationship that Dean and he have together. I have been watching Supernatural for years and I’m always recommending it to my coworkers at Dish, and although he may not be my favorite supporting character, he is still entertaining. I can’t wait for this season to finally start! I plan on recording every episode this year on my Hopper so that I can re-watch the whole season after it is done airing. I’ll even still have room for the rest of my shows to record as well. I really just can’t wait to see Supernatural back on my TV; October can’t get here fast enough!

    Comment by Carter — September 4, 2012 @ 6:43 am

  111. Stay classy San Diego!

    Garth is good in small doses. An appearance once a year would suffice. He’d be a nice balancing act to tough and gritty hunters. He’s good for comedy, and DJ is really quite a good actor. Good guy, too.

    I wasn’t a fan of the Kevin character last year, but if the actor has improved his trade, his place in the show could be interesting. We shall see.

    Take care, everyone.

    Comment by Kevin Lee McDougall — September 4, 2012 @ 10:03 am

  112. beth w: stuff it and move on already. Their are valid discussions on this site. If you can’t join one, take your twisted theories and find a conspiracy site to dwell on. You will find alot of your fellow fanatics there.

    Comment by SL — September 4, 2012 @ 1:58 pm

  113. I like the idea the guys are going to be depicted as having “grown-up”–even like the idea that they are older now and more like seasoned members of the hunting community than forever rookies getting out-smarted by precocious teens and dick angels. IMO they were actually depicted as more competent and intelligent in season 2 than afterwards when they were consistently shown as being dumb by Bella or easily manipulated by Ruby or as Castiel’s pets in later years. These guys ought to be teaching hunting, not getting lessons from every stray teen kid or village idiot that can be imagined or old genre star who can be enticed to reprise their long forgotten roles.

    Hopefully too they will be much more depicted as having emotionally matured. Their progress (particularly Dean’s)from self-confident young men to weepy, self-absorbed, teen-like bundles of suppressed fears and self-doubt has been the opposite of maturity. Viewing maturity with fear, anxiety, and resistance is a normal and healthy part of teen life, but J2 are 30-somethings, and having them playing emotionally-perpetual teenagers is getting embarrassing–and I don’t think is necessary to keep an audience.

    These men should know the world can be a crummy place and that they have been dealt a bad but heroic hand. Whining on about not having a “normal” life makes them appear terminally stupid and childish.

    These are accomplished, super accomplished, men. They’ve died multiple times and come back, gone to hell and gotten out, stopped the apocalypse, defeated Lucifer, and even stopped a crazed angel–such guys ought to have some sense of accomplishment and self confidence. They are the world’s best bullet-dodgers, and if canon means anything, they ought to know that.

    Unless the writers and audience let these guys grow up, I don’t see them going out is some blaze of glory like heroes, but rather childish Sam stalking off in a 13-year old-like hissy-fit having had to committed Dean to an institution for the permanently addicted. Sam will still be running away from reality and Dean, through addiction, doing essentially the same. Let these guys grow up and accept their fate and do one hell of a job with the hand they’ve been dealt: be hunters, the world’s best.

    Comment by CaseyT — September 5, 2012 @ 6:32 am

  114. @ CaseyT #115: Your points are exactly why I no longer like Bobby’s character and hope he is not brought back. Having to run to Bobby for every little thing and promoting Bobby to “father” forever put the Winchester into the role of trainers in hunting. Love Jim Beaver, but the writers pushed him too far up the pedestal.

    I am quite fine with the brothers being mature. In fact, your point about them being embarrassingly depicted as teens in angst is spot on.

    My problem with the show bringing in so many teenagers for the brothers to work with or around is that it makes them look old and kind of silly IF they continue to be handwrining whiners. If they are pushed into the maturity this season, that may work out okay.

    I still am having big problems with three out of eight episodes being named after TeenProphetKevin, when he was only been a minor support character in a couple of late S7 episodes. I just keep thinking back to the Charlie and Garth episodes that were named after support characters.

    Comment by Sheri — September 5, 2012 @ 7:06 am

  115. There are worst fates for SPN than Garth. Garth and Charlie are on equal playing fields for me. I will take Garth over Sam’s LI and Kevin any day. but like any good show the characters are only as good as the plot and the writers ability to convey that plot well. time will tell…one month to go.

    Comment by SPN — September 5, 2012 @ 7:43 am

  116. just read the new cw supernatural s8 “description” the last sentence was the only one that peeked my interest. “deeply personal mission to settle old scores, if only they could agree -is this a family business or isn’t it?”.

    oh and i rethought the “object” i think it is cas-i saw a picture of misha with his “wardrobe” it is all chewed up and torn. i remembered jensen stating at comic con that “maybe cas lays down for deans life” -gawd i hope that isn’t the case. but looking for cas ect… would be the personal mission and settle old scores. crossing my fingers hoping that it is not cas who is the center of the main arc yet again.

    Comment by animal — September 5, 2012 @ 1:19 pm

  117. @ animal: I don’t think the “object” is Cas, because Carver (or somebody) said it was an object that went back to S1. I have no idea what it could even be, though.

    Apparently, Dean and Cas are on friendly terms in 8.05, so laying down his life in Purgatory for Dean could be the thing that caused them to kiss and make up.

    @ SPN #117: Garth, Charlie, Sam’s LI, and Kevin are all on the same playing field for me. I do agree that good writing and hitting consistent plot points help develop any character. The problem with these characters (LI excluded) is that they have already been introduced and they aren’t particularly good. Even if the LI is a decent character, I am just not interested in that kind of story, so I won’t be interested in her character one way or the other.

    Comment by Sheri — September 5, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

  118. @sheri-yes i know -carver or edlund-one of them-said it went back to s1-but additionally one of them said -“even if they didn’t know it at the time”. well remember mary and the angel statue. hinting at an angel. “angels are watching over you”. that is what brought me to that conclusion. don’t know-just guessing -just wondering-hoping upon hoping that i am so totally wrong.

    Comment by animal — September 5, 2012 @ 3:39 pm

  119. oh and please don’t use “kiss and make up” -lol. you will bring in the riff raff-lol.

    Comment by animal — September 5, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

  120. @ animal: Oh, God, shoot me now if that happens. I actually thought Dean would spend all of S6 trying to make up with his BFF, but it appears that happened off-screen. Based on comments from Misha about Cas being a little jealous of Benny/Eli, there could be a triangle going on this season…you know, Sam with his LI and Dean with his <:). Let’s hope not. Action, please. Lots and lots of proactive action.

    I really don’t know what is going to be going on. No spoilers came out of Van Con, so they are keeping everything well under wraps. It’s all up for grabs with a 50/50 chance of being good or bad it seems. I’m so hoping it is good.

    In fact, here’s what I want:

    Sam to be 100% with no super powers.

    Sam to be redeemed, i.e., make his own choices, own them, and suffer the consequences w/o Dean having to save his butt.

    Dean to be 100% Dean, not whiney, handwringing, attached at the hip to Sam, woe-is-me. Edgy is a good look on Dean.

    Dean to realize that he is a hunter, that he likes being a hunter, and that he likes saving people…. not the world, not Heaven and Hell, just people. (I know, not going to happen, because we are dealing with Purgatory and Prophets and Angels and more Levis.)

    Cas to be used minimally and have some purpose in the story.

    Crowley to be interesting, snarky, put down by the brothers ocassionally, and not a corporate climbing demon who always gets one over on the boys. A frenemy is fine, but not a frenemy who wins each and every time.

    Bobby to stay gone. His story is over.

    Meg, preferably nowhere in sight or have Dean kill her.

    The brothers to be front and center in the SPN story.

    Garth to die. Charlie to die. Sam’s love interest to die. A repopulation of the SPNverse with interesting characters is good and more competent hunters would be better.

    A real story, with an interesting plot that is consistently paced out.

    That is my wish list, and “an angel is watching over you” isn’t on it.

    Comment by Sheri — September 5, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

  121. The problem with Garth & so many of the guest stars last season was that they took over the episodes they were in. And when a character happens to be as annoying as Garth was…him returning is definitely not a good thing.

    Comment by snarkster — September 5, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

  122. just watched the new season 8 promo-omg-dean looks vicious in the one shot. he is holding “the new weapon” awsomeness-and baby is in the promo-promo looks great-need a longer one now though.

    sheri-you know i am feeling your pain. i hope i am wrong really really wrong. but the “angels” theme was present throughout s1-s7. we’ll see. and you just had to mention misha and his destiel reference didn’t ya?? lol. man -your killing me-really! lol.

    Comment by animal — September 5, 2012 @ 7:36 pm

  123. @ animal: Hey, it is what it is. It is NOT Destiel, but you know from past season’s postings that in S5, S6, and S7 I’ve seen the relationship as a triangle between Dean, Sam and Cas, with Dean being the prize for attention between Cas and Sam. Otherwise, why was Cas in S5? Why did Dean claim him as a brother in S6? Why else would Cas deceiving him be hurtful enough to bring Dean Winchester to his knees in S7? It must be (fill in the blank).

    Comment by Sheri — September 5, 2012 @ 7:56 pm

  124. Sheri Sam doesnt need to be redeemed I find that statment puzzling.It maybe a personal thing with you but it isnt one on the show.It is ludicrous from some of the fandom to think every season is about Sam making up for something esp when at the same time either Dean or Castiel are expected to be given a free pass the next 5 mins.

    Sam has nothing to be redemed over and has for Dean saving is arse ?I seriously hope you are not blaming Sam for being souless or for Castiel breaking his wall? because you had better stay away from that.Dean was not running around last season saving Sam’s arse.Sam has paid for his mistakes and owned them actually more than certain otherson the show. If you didnt like something Sam said 4 seasons ago then thats your problem but NO Sam doesnt need to keep aplogizing for being Sam or redeemed for anything suffering 2 centuries in a cage and then the cruelty of his wall break there isnt anything he has to ‘make up ‘for to anybody including the parts of the fandom obessed with the idea.

    Comment by Sarah — September 5, 2012 @ 9:49 pm

  125. CaseyT, excellent post. Keep them coming.

    Comment by Kevin Lee McDougall — September 6, 2012 @ 1:51 am

  126. @ Sarah #126: We are not going back to those old wounds in this conversation, so there is no reason for a Sam defense. Animal and I are talking about S8 and an unwanted sub-plot for three characters that are NOT Sam. The conversation originated from something said in an interview by Misha about S8, and animal and I were bantering with it. All shields can safely be returned to Sparta. There is no war to be fought.

    Comment by Sheri — September 6, 2012 @ 2:00 am

  127. I’d rather watch the Winchester Brothers kick demon butts and fight monsters in season 8 than Goofy ass Garth dancing and prancing around.

    Comment by ozzie — September 6, 2012 @ 3:37 am

  128. Now there’s a casting call for a “major recurring female,” 30-ish, Naomi, an efficient bureaucrat in a business suit who is more emotional than she looks. Also a young witch-for-hire, but not mentioned as recurring.

    There sure are a lot of recurring cast calls for this season and, as I expected, Carver seems to be bringing a gaggle of female characters. I’m giving up on the idea of expanding the hunter community anytime soon.

    I think that

    Comment by Sheri — September 6, 2012 @ 5:09 am

  129. Let us not be hypocrites….not a single one of us would want anyone to judge our work before we have even handed it in for review. So let us not do it to Carver. Yes, we have all heard the spoilers and many of our imagination have run ramp-it making mountains out of mole hills and have come to our own conclusion as how it will exactly happen. But let us see what Carver actually does before we claim that he has failed. If after each episode you want to complain about how it sucked and that you hated it. Fine, it would be a warranted opinion. However, to bitch about something that you haven’t viewed. Tsk tsk tsk for shame hypocrites.

    Comment by ALiM — September 6, 2012 @ 7:29 am

  130. It’s silly to think that anybody is condemning Carver as having failed w/o having seen what he does. The purpose of spoilers is to generate excitement or not. All anybody is doing here is discussing spoilers and the impression they leave on the fans. To call people names devalues the publicity the CW is trying to generate, devalues the purpose of boards like this, and devalues the fans themselves. To call people names also shows an unattractive narrow-mindedness and a limited understanding of what’s going on.

    Comment by Sheri — September 6, 2012 @ 10:07 am

  131. i think it should be nice, beside those actions it needed some fun also so it can bring it to the series.
    hi is not action full but he is doing well, and i wish luck for him.

    Comment by hassan — September 6, 2012 @ 12:50 pm

  132. Iam giving Carver until January 2013 to see what he has done with season 8 b4 I give him my McKayla Maroney Bitchy face look.

    Comment by ozzie — September 7, 2012 @ 4:06 am

  133. @Sheri
    and seems to be set up as a LI seriously isn´t one storyline like that enough
    are they out of ideas so they have to give both LI stories?PLus how about returning characters they already tested out and worked well like JodieMills instead of all the new characters immediately cast as recurring without once testing them in an episode?It says SPOILER
    Naomi wil have animportant rolein the boy´s life but they can´t revealmore on Eonline.What else could this be

    Comment by mo — September 8, 2012 @ 1:26 am

  134. @ mo #135: I’m not even going to think about the possibility of Naomi being another LI for anyone.

    As far as the recurring everything, I’m going with the idea that Carver has an actual PLAN — something sorely missing in the last two years. My only concern with that is that I am afraid his plan is moving the show away from the male-oriented show this started out to be into the normal TV trope we see on every other show — girls and boys, all minorities represented, teasing with possible love interests, mature and youngsters…you know, equal opportunity for everyone.

    A male oriented show was something I found very refreshing, and I think it set the whole tone for the show. I’ll be disappointed if that aspect of the show goes away.

    My viewpoint, however, comes from the fact that this show has sorely tested my patience since S5 and the mess EK left and then SG doing her….whatever it was that she did. I’ve stuck with it out of loyalty to the J2s, but (without putting words into ozzie’s comment #134) I feel that SPN and I may be awfully close to agreeing on not dating each other any more, parting as friends who check in with each other once in a while. If the love interests roll and a gaggle of scantily-clad females, dogs, cats, teenagers, babies, and roses start showing up again, that point will be reached.

    I want a gritty show back, and I hope that’s what Dean brings to the table this season. We already know Sam isn’t going to.

    Comment by Sheri — September 8, 2012 @ 4:17 am

  135. exactly Dean´s story is the one that kept me super exited in comparison to any LI storylines.If they gave him a long term LI that would ruin that for me-because why really? Isn´t one for Sam enough? I like this show because it doesn´t have this stuff,why couldn´t they come up with enough about the purgatory storyline to not have to fill up time by throwing a LI in there? We already had Lisa who made sense at the time, but they had to write her out in a way that made no sense whatsoever so it would really make me mad if they now put romance in all the storylines and bring in a random character for that.It did actually sound like Carver wasn´t going to try and turn it into this but now with this spoiler I am not so sure anymore.Might be paranoid but when have the writers ever cast a female in her 30s that is recurring that wasn´t at least intended to be a LI? And if they would be looking for another go to person,they have a lot of already existing characters tehy ocudl use for that so if they create a new one I can´t think of another reason than putting romance on the table

    Comment by mo — September 8, 2012 @ 6:02 am

  136. You are all motherfuckers. Especially you ozzie, animal, and RS you twats.
    You have such one track minds it’s utterly pathetic. Like what in the fuck do you expect from Supernatural? Every season to be exactly like the first season? Do you not understand that things must change?

    I would expect so called “fans” to stick through the better and the worse.

    I don’t give a shit if you don’t like it, I don’t give a shit if you think it sucks with the angels and demons. I doubt anyone but you and the minority actually give a shit, but it does get quite sickening seeing your complaint whilst attempting to read important shit. Aw you’re sick of them? Boo hoo.
    You don’t like Castiel, so much, you feel the need to not only be so hateful to a point of actually purposefully avoiding anything related to Cas, but you also feel the need to publically announce your Cas-phobia and spew hate on a beloved character.

    I think you all desperately need to step back and re-evaluate your lives, because if you have to be so bitter about THE BROTHERS OH NO THEY’RE BEING INTERUPPTED BY OTHER CHARACTERS GOD HELP US ALL

    Either you don’t know how a television show and it’s plot works, or, you all need some serious help.

    Comment by CJack — September 10, 2012 @ 8:29 pm

  137. @ CJack: You are completely out of line and added nothing of importance or substance to any discussion about anything. What I learned from your post is that you know big boy words.

    I’m going to do a public service and tell you that those words are best used for special effects, but don’t do much in everyday conversation….well, except to make a person look stupid, uneducated, and/or immature.

    Further, I don’t give a rat’s tail what you expect from “fans,” but I will tell you straight up that this fan will do whatever I want to do and watch this show however I want to watch it. I’m pretty skilled with the FF button — got a lot of practice in the past two seasons.

    If you are driven to post only non-contributing rants against other fans as you just did, I suggest that it is you that needs to step back and re-evaluate your life…or take your meds.

    Please do feel free to join the conversation if and when you have something relevant to say about the show or the topic being discussed. Otherwise, I’m sure others will join me in ignoring you.

    Comment by Sheri — September 11, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

  138. BRING BACK CASS!!!!
    and Bobby!! Besides Dean & Sam, Cass & Bobby were the best characters. It really sucks that they aren’t on there.

    Comment by Sandra — September 11, 2012 @ 7:20 pm

  139. wow @137-talk about a low life-uneducated idiot-thats you. yea i hate cas-yea the show ratings have gone down because of cas-yea and the cas character should have been done at the end of s5-yea and destiel consists of the most selfish, bulling type fans that a show could have and they should be ashamed of themselves yea- and if you don’t like may opinion -i really don’t give a rats ass.

    supernatual is NOT about an angel-its is about two brothers and thier relationship-thier bond. yea a show needs to grow-characters need to grow however the main premise of a show should not change. but it has. and so spn suffers with viewership because of it. spn now consists of a bunch of guest stars weaving in and out of episodes with sam and dean not being sam and dean-not being badass, not being brothers, not being hunters, not even being friend, not even driving the impala any longer. like i read on another blog. it seems more like a spin off than the original show. will carver fix it??? hopefully. do the promos and spoilers show that it just might get back to what it was. yes-hopefully. does it include characters i can’t stand-ie cas-yes but i am hoping not to the extent that he is all powerful and fixes everything like he has the past 3 or 4 seasons. its not any of your business cjack which characters i like and which ones i don’t. you don’t have to like every single darn character on a show to enjoy a show. but if said show focus’s too much on hated character and makes the main characters not main anymore then it is my choice to stop watching- for its not the show i fell in love with. so poop on you!!

    Comment by animal — September 15, 2012 @ 2:48 pm

  140. oh and let me piss you off somemore-i dislke misha collins. here is an example of why- just recently jensens wife danneel asked jared, misha and others to help her get pledges for her 9/11 bike marathon. jared said on his twitter- my girl danneel is asking for donations ect ect ect…., misha on his said-danneel promised me a lap dance if i told you guys to donate.

    now who sounds classy and who sounds like a low life ahole???

    Comment by animal — September 15, 2012 @ 2:58 pm

  141. This is ridiculous, I think Garth is a darling, and he is a “character”….and I like the guy who plays him. Gee folks, just be glad the d–m show is still on the air. After all not every character is golden I’m still unhappy about killing Bobby, and John not around anymore. BUT I will be a loyal fan and watch it with great pleasure, any way they show it, and with any character they want to use…!!!!!

    Comment by Lnda — September 17, 2012 @ 7:09 am

  142. We need to see Chuck again. He vanished into thin air two seasons ago. Whats up with him?

    Comment by Skiah — September 18, 2012 @ 7:25 pm

  143. I personaly liked Gabriel on the show and don’t hate any of the characters. Sure some of the characters weren’t my favorites but so what? It didn’t make the show any worse.
    Though I think the show isn’t quite as good as when the boys were taking normal hunts I still love the show.

    Gabriel was one of my favorite characters and I hink he should come back to the show. Not to team up with the boys, not to be like Cas or anything but to provide maybe some background assistance to be… him. Now that Crowley seems a formiddable opponent I believe that it would be good for the boys to have an angel out there.
    Gabriel could have a strong role in the show this year though even if he only shows up for a few episodes.

    Supernatural needs that light-heartedness back. The subtle joking that the brothers pass around and just them being ‘Them’ and I think Gabriel could really bring that back to the show.
    The simple little things like Dean in Bad Day at Black Rock Season 4 episode 3
    3×03 Bad Day at Black Rock
    Dean: I’m amazing… I’m Batman!
    Sam: (sarcastically) Yeah… You’re Batman.

    3×11 Mystery Spot
    Dean being mimicked by Sam: You think your being funny but your being really really childish… Sam Winchester wears make-up… Sam Winchester cries his way through sex… Sam Winchester keeps a ruler by his bed and every morning when he wakes up he… OK ENOUGH!!

    or even

    2×11 Playthings
    Dean: Ya know she could be faking.
    Sam:Yeah, what do you wanna do, poke her with a stick?
    (Convincing look on Dean’s face)
    Sam: Dude, you’re not gonna poke her with a stick!

    Simple things. Jeeze even them and some run in with the cops always brought some fun in!

    The plot of the story is SO much deeper than most of what I’ve seen people talk about on chat threads about Supernatural.
    To the people who says they hate certain characters? Yeah well SO WHAT?? If you TRULY love the show then you take the good characters and the bad.
    I’ve been watching the show since it first came on and have seen every episode ever aired on TV so far. Some characters stick with you (Like Gabriel) no matter how rare they appear and other you stand up and cheer when they die (Personaly… Zachariah)

    So people who sit here HATING my favorite show and characters? Find somewhere else to rant about how much you hate the show and STOP WATCHING IT! Chat rooms and threads like this are for TRUE Supernatura fans who understand what the show was origanaly about and still is about!
    Supernatural has something really rare going on. The characters (Jared and Jensen) are still The CHARACTERs they care about the show and still like being the Winchester’s even after 8 years and they care about the show’s fans so haters… find somewhere else to hate and please stop putting so much language on here I want to bleach my eyes.

    I liked and disliked Garth’s character. So if he comes back I’ll have some laughs and some of those throwing popcorn at the tv moments but I’ll still LOVE the show.

    Comment by KC~SPN — October 14, 2012 @ 7:06 pm

  144. I personally like supernatural and really couldn’t care less about who they bring in weather its Angel human demon fairy or munchkin

    Comment by cara — January 24, 2013 @ 7:51 pm

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