“Stuck in the Middle (With You)” Preview

In next week’s episode, Mary works a case for the British Men of Letters and calls for back-up, though Sam, Dean and Cas don’t know who she’s working for. And based on the promo, it seems Castiel’s life is in danger.

News posted on February 10, 2017 Comments (62)


  1. That promo reminds me of Helen and Jo.

    Comment by LG — February 10, 2017 @ 1:06 pm

  2. It’s amazing how weak they have made Castiel. What happened to the Castiel from Season 4?

    Comment by Julie — February 10, 2017 @ 1:44 pm

  3. @julie s4 Cas is coming back this season!! I think they meant that flashbCk from 2 episodes ago lol.

    He is acting a little more like a warrior again but he gets dumbed down way to much. Please let this trailer not be any indication of how the episode will play out. Give the angel some credits back.

    Comment by Robin — February 10, 2017 @ 3:19 pm

  4. I did like the last 3 episodes a lot so here’s to hoping..

    Comment by Robin — February 10, 2017 @ 3:19 pm

  5. “The Raid” — (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)

    SAMMY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER – A chance to take out a nest of vampires backfires when the alpha-vamp shows up and turns the tables on Mary (guest star Samantha Smith) and The British Men of Letters, who are doing their best to recruit Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles). Directed by John MacCarthy, the episode was written by Robert Berens. (#1214). Original airdate 3/2/2017.

    Comment by Keri — February 10, 2017 @ 9:39 pm

  6. Alpha Vamp!! Screw the MOL though

    Comment by Robin — February 11, 2017 @ 1:59 am

  7. The Trouble i find with this one is that the trailer looks good but if you keep up with the spoilers for supernatural you know that there is a third Cass episode later in the year so you know that if he did die or go away he would be back i would go on no Cass if i didn’t know the spoiler but i still give it a shot still looks good but sometimes the trailer looks good for show and then really

    Comment by Keri — February 11, 2017 @ 4:25 am

  8. I hate vampire episodes so I’m not looking forward to this at all.. only thing I like is alphavamp.

    Comment by Robin — February 11, 2017 @ 8:09 am

  9. The vamp episode sounds interesting. Its about time they got the alpha vamp back. Missed the guy.

    As for the promo for next week-Ok we all know here that I am not a cas fan at all. I mean zero interest in the character at this point. But those of you that are-Aren’t you tired of seeing cas beaten up, tied up, bloodied, almost dying, and making stupid mistakes? Every friggin time he is in an episode that’s all we ever see him do. I mean those things I listed pretty much defind cas at this point of who he is. He is a totally ridiculous and useless character really. Not really looking forward to this episode. I will probably skip it live like I did the last cas centered episode.

    As for Mary-Don’t care about her at all. Her relationship with the brothers is pretty much non-existent . For a character that supposed to be the mom of the hero’s of this spn world she sucks. It looks like she has more of a relationship with the BMOL than her own sons in this one.

    Comment by animala — February 11, 2017 @ 9:47 am

  10. @animala:”But those of you that are-Aren’t you tired of seeing cas beaten up, tied up, bloodied, almost dying, and making stupid mistakes? Every friggin time he is in an episode that’s all we ever see him do.”

    -Exactly! Good Lord, we know he isn’t dying (unfortunately IMO), so why should we have to suffer trough this again?. If I didn’t knew better, I’d think he’s been written off. It really feels like it. I honestly think Mary will die instead of Cass.

    Comment by emmanuel — February 11, 2017 @ 4:06 pm

  11. @Emmanuel – I know right. Well we do know Mary is around after this episode so she isn’t dying anytime soon. Not that I care one way or the other. Either of them dying or both of them I don’t care at this point. “Regarding Dean” showed me the show is a lot more fresher and more interesting with just the brothers and Rowena. And where the heck is Crowley? What is he doing?

    But I am curios what are cas fans thinking? Are they sick and tired of the same old same old with cas? His stories are the same damn thing every season. He has to fix a problem he caused and in the process he gets kidnapped, beaten up, bloodied and then the writers try to give him an emotional scene that just never works. Man. What a waste of a character. Maybe I would like cas a little bit if he was interesting and not on rinse and repeat for the last 6 seasons. I was just curious as to what cas fans see.

    Comment by animala — February 11, 2017 @ 5:09 pm

  12. with this promo there is really no worry about cass dying as most know in the spoilers that he is in episode 19 unless something happens to him and he doesn’t return until to this episode which i doubt so there is no real worry

    i agree with most that there is no emotional connection made between the boys and there mother she could be just another hunter they encounter for all the screen time they have together Mary hasn’t made any attempt to get to know her boys she just was there one moment then gone the only real emotion she showed was when Billie came fo r the deal and she tried to kill herself but really all it was was a few tears and i love you she did worry about the boys when they went missing but she still did not attempt herself to look for them that hard there really should of been scenes with here and the boys real connecting with each other but we just don’t seen it and we don’t hear about it the latest one the only things we heard from Mary is sam texting her to tell her that dean phone damaged and when Dean faced the mirror and said Mary is mom but showed more emotion about cass than Mary

    this season is so dis a jointed story wise it had big ideas ie Bring Mary back but back themselves in a corner about it and didn’t write her well
    The British men of letters still not getting any kind of Story out of the plot line and we are know half way through the series
    Cass and Crowley are they really needed in this season we don’t get much from them at the moment
    i hoping Lucy and the baby i hoping the baby is not the big bad i mean how many times has shows used evil baby as a plot line

    i really hoping that the British men of letters ain’t the Big bad this year fingers crossed that the cosmic thing is the big bad and it really cool idea

    things started to go wrong last season they should not have not included God or Lucifer save it to later seasons they should of not made the Darkness Amara it could of been a creature or something cooler and they could of really used Dean killing Death as a major Plot Arch that could of been the whole story arch that would mean this year we wouldn’t of gotten Mary or lucifer again which would be a good thing

    i really don’t see how this show is going to pull of something cool this year because all we getting are random things put together not the big bad arch we are used to

    Comment by Rachelle — February 12, 2017 @ 3:13 am

  13. This season just has no story. MOL are boring, Mary was brought back but has no actual story eiter, Crowley has no story, Castiel has no story and even the brothers have no story. Its just a collection of episodes with some small storylines but there is no big bad, and there are no interesting cases/urban legends either (which could make up for it).

    The last 3 episoded I liked a lot but didn’t really proceeded the season in any way.

    And yes, animala, as a ‘cas fan’ I hate the fact that he gets written as a weak character getting beat up since season 9. I like the character/actor and I liked badass Cass, and even goofy Cas when he tried to understand humans. I also liked him in episodes like ‘do you believe in miracles’ and a few others where he took action (and before season 9 too) and didn’t got talked down by nobodies like that mister catch (in lotus). He’s an angel for f*ck sake.

    I get that he can’t be powerful and jump in everytime and save the day but powerful Cas worked in season 6,7,8 after the apocalypse too. Now its the writers who ruin the character, and I don’t like it at all. Same goes with Crowley who went from a powerful king to a joke.

    Rowena is the only side character that actually gets better.

    But after the last Cas episode, which zi kinda liked, I hope the next one will be good and the trailer is not representing the episode as a whole, like it is most of the times.

    Comment by Robin — February 12, 2017 @ 5:03 am

  14. FYI Jensen sang “Brother” last night at SNS. OMG the man is amazing.

    Comment by animala — February 12, 2017 @ 6:38 am

  15. Another FYI -Jared once again has caused a twitter storm because he didn’t like the way he was treated at a casino yesterday. He has posted the guys face on his twitter that “did him wrong”. I am sorry -I know Jared does good but this public shaming he does by posting pictures of people he feels deserve it needs to stop. If he did that to me I would sue him for everything he’s got. He is coming across like one of those spoiled Hollywood types throwing a tantrum because he feels he deserves extra attention because of who is is. He is better than that-I really hate this side of him.

    Comment by animala — February 12, 2017 @ 7:48 am

  16. @animala
    Omg Jensen singing “Brothers”- pure haven ! It is my favorite song, and there are so many fan videos made with this song – perfect for spn, just feels like it was about Sam and Dean in first place. And Jensen just killed it! Honestly, and I thought I can’t love this man more.
    Regarding Jared-this is who he is. Nothing is wrong with expressing you disappointment however when you have millions followers on your social media accounts you have to be better then posting someone’s picture and publicly shaming person. One day he’ll be sued because of that. I feel like he is losing his boundaries when alcohol is involved. I bet he regrets it already.

    Comment by АAA — February 12, 2017 @ 9:50 am

  17. Here is link on YouTube video . You won’t be disappointed

    Comment by АAA — February 12, 2017 @ 10:13 am

  18. AAA-After hearing Jensen sing Brother I went to the original with the lyrics to see what it actually sounds like. The lyrics definitely are Sam and Dean. And frankly I love Jensen’s version much better than the original.

    As for Jared. I hate public shaming. I hate that he does/did it just as much as I hate the librals shaming Trump and his cabinet people. Not to say Jared has done that just that I see it as the same thing. Its not right. Its bullying to the max. Jared would be the first to come to the aide of a person being bullied yet he must think it is ok for him to do the bullying. Its plain mean spirited. Yes he has the right to complain about it but not public bulling by naming and putting a picture up. Not cool-at all.

    Comment by animala — February 12, 2017 @ 11:01 am

  19. This is the latest interview about stuck in the middle i forgot there was a bit of lucifer story that was going to be in this episode

    the next episode will more Misha Collins and Mary. In the upcoming episode of The CW series, it seems that Mary is keeping a dark matter that involves the British Men of Letters.
    According to TV Guide, the synopsis reveals that the character of Samantha Smith, Mary is been keeping in touch with the British Men of Letters all this time. Mary’s connection with them will be revealed in the upcoming episode of “Supernatural” as Mary will ask her sons and their angel best friend to help her on a case she’s been working.Mary forgot to tell the trio about the inclusion of the British Men of Letter but she needed the help of Dean, Sam, and Castiel. They hunt down an organization but their hunting double crosses Mary and the truth will expose about the secret society and Mary’s participation with the MOLs in “Supernatural.”Will the British Men of Letters takes the situation as their advantage and use her to get Dean and Sam? As Mary continuous her adjustments on her second chance on Earth, she reportedly embracing her path and be a hunter again. Mary can’t believe that her sons took the very same path she takes and she worries the danger it may cause to them, as Dean almost lost his memory due to witch’s spell.
    Now, in a new promo recently released for the Episode 12 in “Supernatural,” the promo teased a wounded Castiel. In the upcoming episode titled “Stuck In The Middle (With You),” Cas is heavily injured and bruised. Andrew Dabb spilled that when the series getting close to the end, things will dramatically heat up for Cas. Fans will definitely see a new iteration coming up for Cas, TV Line has reported.
    Furthermore, the Episode 12 will present the long-forgotten Lucifer now that his child is now walking on the surface of the Earth and Rowena’s comeback in the series. According to reports, the devil may literally walk on Earth but his presence will surely feel by everyone in the future episodes. “Supernatural” Season 12 Episode 12 airs at 8 P.M on Thursday on The CW.

    Comment by Rachelle — February 13, 2017 @ 2:30 am

  20. @15

    I believe he didn’t like the way his fans were treated, those who wanted to talk to him, were treated. But hey, continue to post misinformation.

    Comment by Elaine — February 13, 2017 @ 9:27 am

  21. Where is the post from Jared. He is my favorite and hate to hear this.

    Comment by slh — February 13, 2017 @ 11:03 am

  22. @20 Elaine I don’t give a damn what reason he had for what he did. He shamed the guy publically because he didn’t like what the guy said? big Deal. You take it up with management. You don’t PUBLIC SHAME ANYBODY for anything. Period. NOt unless it is an arresting situation which you want to tell me it was?? I don’t think so. Elaine I am a fan of both Jensen and Jared but when either one of them does something stupid, idiotic, shameful I call them on it because I am not blinded by fandom eyes. He was in the wrong-period that is why he took the post down. He knew it.

    Comment by animala — February 13, 2017 @ 2:20 pm

  23. OH and Elaine instead of being a snit you could have just enlightened those fans that never saw his post what “really” happened and we all could have discussed it like human beings.

    Comment by animala — February 13, 2017 @ 2:26 pm

  24. @Elaine
    Would you be OK with someone to post your picture all over the internet with negative comments? For whatever reason? I certainly wouldn’t.
    Thanks God he didn’t post his name and address. Probably cost him a job already.
    Jared is sweet guy but he needs to stop drunk-tweeting.

    Comment by AAA — February 13, 2017 @ 3:42 pm

  25. Why did they make Castiel so goddamn pathetic?! I know Season 11 was the most pathetic season, but at least God could have gave him his wings back. WTH?!

    Comment by Salarian — February 13, 2017 @ 4:03 pm

  26. @AAA-I believe Jared did post the guys name-not his address though. It was his picture and his name and where he worked. Like I tell my kids-when someone like a waitress or a cashier at a department store is short or nasty with you-leave it be because you don’t know what their story is. If they had a bad day, If they feel sick, If they lost a loved one last week, you just don’t know. I tell them to blow it off. Everyone is allowed to have a bad day.

    @Salarian-Cas is a pathetic character. As a viewer you are supposed to see him as a helpless, pathetic lost angel. Why do you think so many cas fans feel sorry for him or want to give cas a hug? He is supposed to be the “tragic hero angel”. Problem is I don’t see him as a hero. He is a hindrance to the brothers and frankly he is a hindrance to the show, The show could have gone in so many different directions if they didn’t have to account for an angel and to shoe horn him in. I mean how many non angel/demon/heaven/hell stories can you write that can include an angel? Not to many. IMO SPN has been stifled creatively because of cas. Shame really. So many urban legends they could have used all these years as the big bad but having an angel wouldn’t have made sense.

    Comment by animala — February 13, 2017 @ 6:40 pm

  27. Salarian-I happened to love s11. Yea I was disappointed that Amara/Dean didn’t go anywhere. I don’t like fan pandering so yea there was that last season too but I still liked the season overall for the most part. The only seasons I really didn’t like at all was the leviathan season. And s8 was bad but it had some good episodes (7 did too ) Every season had good episodes though.

    Comment by animala — February 13, 2017 @ 6:50 pm

  28. @Salarian the worst thing about god/cas is that for 7 seasons long they talk about Castiel being gods favorite angel, he gets brought back to life several times… but there was no scene with god and castiel talking to eachother.

    Metatron gets a full episode, but cas didn’t get one minute. Wasted opportunity to get some real castiel backstory.

    Comment by Robin — February 13, 2017 @ 11:11 pm

  29. Honestly I’m interested in seeing Mary meeting Crowley and knowing they have been friends and working with the king of hell.

    Also, the MOL and Mary wanting to kill Crowley and the boys/cas defending him. I see that coming .. same with Rowena btw since Mary isn’t a fan of evil characters where sam and dean have worked with demons and witches all their lives.

    Comment by Robin — February 14, 2017 @ 3:27 am

  30. Regarding Jared. I love him, I really do. I rarely does anything I have a problem with, and when he does, it’s not big deal. But this time he did something wrong, and I think he realized after he got called out on it.

    Thing is, there are hateful people who give Jared a hard time for stupid things because they hate him. I think his personal struggles came partly for dealing with all the unfair and baseless accusations from some “fans” (and you know which kind of fans I’m talking about). Jim Beaver recently deleted his social media accounts for the same reason. Jared doesn’t deserve the shit they throw at him, BUT this time he was wrong. I don’t blindly worship anybody. I’m a fan of Jared (and Jensen for that matter) because, after all this years following him, I think he deserves it. But when he does something that is not ok I’m the first one to say it. Other people can agree or not, but being a fan of him doesn’t mean I give him a free pass for everything. Same with Jensen, Mark (I love both too), Misha or any other actor. Being fair is the key.

    Comment by emmanuel — February 14, 2017 @ 9:33 am

  31. Just saw the extended trailer, looked great!

    Comment by Robin — February 14, 2017 @ 10:18 am

  32. I love the show but I can’t say I care much for the 2 main actors. Jared is just too much on social media. The waitress, the airlines, and now something else? smh

    And I wondered why I’d never heard the song “Brother.” Jensen singing a christian song? Sounds about right.

    Love the show but not into the actors, except maybe the guy who plays Cas.

    Comment by Flores — February 15, 2017 @ 1:16 pm

  33. Lol @ the sneak peak.

    Sam tries to talk about the case and Dean saying nobody cares, he wants to tell Cas to respond to the waitress hitting on him.

    Comment by Robin — February 15, 2017 @ 1:44 pm

  34. @flores I don’t follow any of them om social media so how they act in real life will never affect my view on the show.. unlike some I guess.

    Comment by Robin — February 15, 2017 @ 2:40 pm

  35. @flores-And it was a beautiful thing watching Jensen singing Brother. Sexy, moving, and human and oh so appropriate for the show. Beautiful man, beautiful soul. God Bless him.

    As for Jared-lets all hope the guy learned how stupid he looked for doing what he did and doesn’t do it again. Bless him too.

    Comment by animala — February 15, 2017 @ 2:47 pm

  36. Just watch the sneak peek. One question-how is it that the American hunters are calling Mary for help and not the brothers?? I guess the brothers are too incompetent I guess for other hunters to rely on but a woman who was dead for 30 plus years and is a shit mother is way more trust worthy. Yea-NOOOOOOO. And once again Dean is turned down like he is an ass for cas. Yea OK -NOOOOOO. Yea I am skipping this one live for sure. I mean you trash the brothers and make the two guest stars (mary and cas) perfect in every way. Not my cup of tea. I am out,

    Comment by animala — February 15, 2017 @ 2:52 pm

  37. @Flores, if someone has to step away from social media for a minute, that’s Misha. But how would he feed his huge ego then?. There’s a reason why he came up with the term “minions” to call his fans. The guy just loves to be worshipped, even when he shits on the show that feeds him and his co-stars. And he’s said and done nasty shit too.

    Jared sometimes fucks up, like everybody else, but he is a sweet man. Yes, Jensen sang “Brother” because, as he said before he started singin, that’s the basis of the show, the relationship between the brothers. And it was beautiful.

    I just find very interesting how Cas stans subtly hate on J2 while trying to sound casual. In your post you basically said Jared is a dick and you seem to have a problem with Jensen being christian, wich with the stupid minion logic means “conservative and homophobe”. Am I close? Typical Misha-minion statement. I’ve seen it so many times that it’s so easy to detect. You all say the same baseless shit.

    Comment by emmanuel — February 15, 2017 @ 5:14 pm

  38. @Robin, as I already said to you, more power to you. That’s how it should be. I never let how I feel about an actor affect my vision of the show either. There are a lot of actors who I don’t like but I love the character and vice-versa. Sometimes I feel the same about an actor and his/her characters for different reasons. There’s a little of everything.

    What I find annoying is why Castiel fans have such a problem with the fact that some people don’t like him. Why this only happens with Cass? I don’t see Crowley’s fans demanding to know why others don’t like him or calling it “blind hate” when they are giving perfectly logical reasons to why they don’t like him. People give negative criticism to secondary characters all the time and no one has a problem with it. Why this one secondary character should be special above the rest?

    And before someone says that what I say applies to the brothers’ fans too, NO, it’s not the same. It’s their show, they are the protagonists. The whole show is about their story and everyone else serves their story (said by Kripke himself). If you hate one or both of the leads of the show, it must suck to have to watch them in every episode. Most of the time Cass hasn’t even been there. But hating a character when the whole show it’s about him? Why to watch the show then?

    Comment by emmanuel — February 15, 2017 @ 5:16 pm

  39. And in case someone doesn’t believe what I said about not liking an actor but liking the character (or vice-versa):

    -I didn’t like Sebastian Roché’s behaviour at some of the Cons, but I loved Balthazar.

    -I don’t like certain aspects of Osric Chau’s personality, but I liked Kevin.

    -I love Felicia Day, but I didn’t like Charlie for the most part.

    -Sometimes Kim Rhodes annoys me, but I love Jody.

    And this is only about this show. I’m sure there are more, but those are the ones I remember right now.
    Note: this is about the actor’s behaviour at Cons or social media mostly, it’s not about their acting. I don’t personally know them, so this are impressions, which is the only thing we are based on in our opinions. It’s what all of us do.

    Comment by emmanuel — February 15, 2017 @ 5:43 pm

  40. @emmanuel . . . I’m thirty-four and work as a law clerk for a federal judge. I work very close to eighty hours a week for which I am handsomely paid so I cannot complain; however, I have very limited free time. The last movie I saw was “Gravity,” which was, I think, in 2012. If I’m able to visit ten boards a year, whether they be law based or entertainment based, I am indeed lucky. I am not on any social media because a) I don’t wish to be and because b) judicial ethics preclude it. There are two tv shows that I MIGHT get to watch every few months and Supernatural is one of them. Nonetheless, my life does not revolve around Supernatural or its actors or their discussion boards so that being, I have no idea what a “Misha-minion” is or even might be. Having said that, yes, I do like Misha. I find him to be a decent actor but more importantly I respect him for using what little celebrity he has to speak out during the last presidential election. I admire his convictions. And no, I do not care for Jared, not what I know of him. Even in my walled off existence, I am aware of the “rants” he has posted on social media. Using one’s celebrity status to humiliate and degrade other human beings, even going so far as to post sensitive information online, is unbalanced and certainly not, in my most humble opinion, indicative of a “sweet man.” As I pointed out earlier, it’s possible to enjoy a series without caring for its actors. –Barton Flores

    Comment by Flores — February 15, 2017 @ 9:17 pm

  41. @emmanuel I don’t care that people don’t like Castiel. In fact, I totally get it and agree that lately he has been lame (sometimes). I just think its dumb to hate a character because you don’t like how the actor is in real life.. or the other way around..

    I remenber people bitching about Genevieve? That she wasn’t good enough for Jared etc lmaoo. I mean, she totally ruined Ruby, but she might be the sweetest girl ever. If she was first to play Ruby I think nobody would have cared. Its just obvious that Katie is by far a better actress and she set the bar too high for her.

    I liked genevieve in ‘French Mistake’ because she played her own character.

    Also to comment on your other post

    – I think misha is kinda corny (from what I did see) but I like Castiel
    – not a fan of claire but the actress I like (from Paranormal Activity 4) though I did like Claire the last 2 times she appeared
    – I like samantha smith but the writers ruined her character. This is the same woman who fought for her parents/boyfriend/kids when she was a teenager (time travel episodes), and sacrificed her spirit in ‘home’??

    Comment by Robin — February 16, 2017 @ 12:23 am

  42. @Flores. If you admitedly say you don’t know much or follow Jared (which explains a lot), then I would avoid to state a misinformed opinion about him. It’s sad that you have heard about his “rants”, but not about his wonderful mental illness awarenes campaign along with Jensen, which was praised by the media. You could have heard about his beatiful real-life friendship with Jensen , or how sweet he is always to his fans. So I dare to say you are getting info for what the minions (or Jared haters)say about him on the social media, because what you said is the exact kind of bullshit they love to spew.

    About his rants, he’s already explained why he does it. It’s not about getting a bad service, he does it when the employees are extremely rude to him and treat him like shit. He said he does it to avoid that they do it to everyone else, so other people don’t feel defenseless against abusive behaviour towards clients. He does it so the companies can rectify this kind of bad attitude, employees that don’t treat clients as human beings, but are extremely rude, even offensive instead.

    Jared explained he’s been told all his life that he should suck it up when he’s treated like shit by other people, in any situation, because he’s a celebrity. That doesn’t make him less of a person, so he finally stands against people who treat him that way. I usually don’t mind his “rants” (and Jensen has done this too), but it’s true this one time he went too far and did something very wrong. He realized and took it down.

    It’s Misha’s prerogative to state his political opinions and it’s yours to like him (or not) for it. Nothing wrong about that at all. There are some things I like about Misha. There are some things is dislike about him too. But at least my opinion of him is informed.

    My life doesn’t revolve about a show or his actors either, specially since it’s no longer my favourite show. Thank God, my job allows me to live decently and have time for my friends, my family, my boyfriend and enjoy entertaintment (not too much, but something). I watch the show and the conventions. Not saying that you have to know the actors. I don’t have a personal opinion of most of the actors of other shows or movies, but I love Jensen and Jared because they are special, independently of how I feel about their characters.

    My whole point is: has ever occured to you that, if you admitedly say you don’t know much about them (and you don’t have to), then maybe you are being unfair to them when you make an asshole comment based on very limited information? And that goes for your opinion on Misha too. Why giving an opinion about someone you’ve only heard a few things here and there?

    Comment by emmanuel — February 16, 2017 @ 4:08 am

  43. @Robin, I completely agree. I’m just hoping you don’t have that impression about me. I totally agree about how the actor and the character are different things. I get that for some people is hard to make that one thing doesn’t affect the other, it’s perfectly normal. The best thing one can do in those cases is not paying attention to the actor.

    About Genevieve, I agree too. She sucked as Ruby, but for what I’ve seen of her, she really seems like the sweetest girl ever. She’s been always sweet to fans even when they have been extremely mean to her. And I’m not talking about negative criticism about her acting, but about personal attacks.

    Completely agree about Mary too. Samantha Smith is awesome, but I’m really tired of bringing old characters back just to ruin them.

    Comment by emmanuel — February 16, 2017 @ 4:29 am

  44. I believe the song “Brothers” was actually used in the “Love” campaign that was done by Misha, Jensen and Jared. So, that’s where the song comes from.

    @42 Regarding Jared, I’m sorry, but there is no defense for Jared outing people, like posting their pictures online or tweeting their names (full names even) and where they work. He has done this multiple times over the years, including posting pictures of people twice in the past 6 months. If he has issues with service he has received, he needs to handle it professionally and in a mature manner, you take it up with their managers, for example, the bar situation or the recent hotel situation. You do not post pictures of people or give out their names and locations publicly.

    Back to the show: I’m not really looking forward to tonight’s episode. I think this new writer is the weakest of the new writers. It doesn’t make sense that hunters are now contacting Mary Winchester, whom they don’t know and I would think they should be wary of the fact that she was dead and is now alive and about the same age as her two sons. That should make any good hunter skeptical and not wanting much to do with her.

    Comment by Chelsea — February 16, 2017 @ 5:48 am

  45. @Chelsea. I wasn’t trying to excuse Jared for this. But implying that he’s not a good person like @Flores did just because he’s not doing the right thing with this situation and ignoring everything else (or not knowing about it)is going too far. According to that logic, we wouldn’t think anyone is a good person, because we all have some attitudes others consider wrong. According to that logic he/she should dislike Misha too.

    Jared thinks keeping it private doesn’t solve anything, because companies only care about public image. He said he’s done that way and hasn’t worked. If you are no one, a lot of times complains remain unheard, but if you have some kind of celebrity status and are followed by a big number of people, companies reprehend their employees for abusive behaviour to try to avoid bad reputation.

    Again, I don’t think it’s a good way to fight this problem for the reasons you said above, but Jared does. And fans do the same with him by public shaming him too. It’s not ok, but having that opinion of him just for this? Somehow people love to forget about the good things. And if people don’t know about those, maybe they shouldn’t base their opinions in one particular thing.

    Remember what I said about being fair? Having a negative opinion of what Jared has done is fair. Thinking he’s a dick for it, ignoring everything else he does it’s not.

    So @Chelsey, you and I agree about Jared’s behaviour, as I have stated before (@30). What I said was responding to the subtle J2 hate by @Flores.

    Also, Jensen said the song “Brothers” was a homage of the basis of the show: the brothers. The lyrics are so appropiate.

    Comment by emmanuel — February 16, 2017 @ 8:26 am

  46. @32 so what if Jensen sang a Christian song? He might be a Christian. As a Christian and a fan of Supernatural I say that your comment was bigoted. Just on the other end

    Comment by Dam and Sean — February 16, 2017 @ 10:10 am

  47. Emmanuel,

    There is no defending Jared. Yeah, I get that you’re a huge fan, that’s obvious, but there’s no excuse for what he’s done in the past. It shows really bad judgment. None of us know these people, not Jared or Jensen. You’re making judgments about Jared based on what you see at conventions and other fan interactions and it’s ridiculous to think that they are really like that. The jackass things that Jared has said & done on social media going all the way back to Philip Seymour Hoffman’s death are a much clearer window into what he’s really like, I think.

    When you say ‘if you have some kind of celebrity status and are followed by a big number of people, companies reprehend their employees for abusive behaviour to try to avoid bad reputation,’ that is just crazy! Jared is acting like a spoiled child and the fans that ‘public shame’ him don’t have the same number of followers he does.

    People who think they know entertainers based on how those entertainers act in the press or at conventions would be in for a sad awakening if they ever met their idols.

    Comment by leonard64 — February 16, 2017 @ 12:01 pm

  48. @45 – I’m not talking about his general rants, I’m talking about his actual outing of people by posting their pictures or posting their names and where they work. Unfortunately, it’s not just “this situation” with Jared, he’s done this multiple times.

    Jared saying that “keeping it private doesn’t solve anything”, etc. has zero to do with what I’m talking about. He can rant against a company, but he should not publicly post and out individual employees. That is wrong and, in my opinion, it crosses the line of decency and is tantamount to bully behavior.

    “Also, Jensen said the song “Brothers” was a homage of the basis of the show: the brothers. The lyrics are so appropiate.”

    Jensen said the song was appropriate based on what the show is about. He never said the show was only about the brothers. Just because the song is called “brothers” doesn’t mean it’s actually just about biological brothers. The show is about family and as we all know family doesn’t end with blood. The song is about being there for your family and friends. Also, like I said, I believe the song was used by Jensen, Misha and Jared in the “love” campaign, which was about helping SPNfamily, the fans, whom the actors consider like family.

    Comment by Chelsea — February 16, 2017 @ 1:03 pm

  49. @leonard64:”There is no defending Jared. Yeah, I get that you’re a huge fan, that’s obvious, but there’s no excuse for what he’s done in the past.”

    -For the millionth time, was I excusing Jared for that? I was only repeating what he said about it and I said in every post I made about it that it’s wrong. Reading comprehension, get some.

    “None of us know these people, not Jared or Jensen. You’re making judgments about Jared based on what you see at conventions and other fan interactions and it’s ridiculous to think that they are really like that. ”

    -Of course we don’t really know them, but we got impressions. Besides, it’s a little more than that. My info on the SPN actors in genereal comes after years of following them in conventions, interviews, social media etc. It’s funny how you claim you can’t really know them doing that, but YOU seem to have an opinion of him based on some tweets. So you can see him as he really is, but the rest of us don’t.
    Thing is, you only can fake how you really are for a limited period of time. I was able to see thorugh Misha’s bullshit pretty quickly, for example, even if I initially thought he was great. I don’t blindly worship ANYONE.

    Again, yes, those are only impressions, which is exactly what you are doing too by thinking he’s an asshole, so get off your high horse, because you are doing the same.

    ” I get that you’re a huge fan, that’s obvious,”

    -Please, drop the condescending tone. Like I said, I’m not some obesessive fanboy who worship celebrities. I don’t really care if people don’t like Jared, but I’m allergic to bullshit. I see his faults. I don’t think what Jared did is right (pay attention to this this time). Same about Jensen.

    But I’m curious, why you mention Jensen and Jared but not Misha when the minions are by far the biggest apologists a delusional people that I’ve ever seen in any fandom? Would you tell Misha’s fans the same thing?

    “The jackass things that Jared has said & done on social media going all the way back to Philip Seymour Hoffman’s death are a much clearer window into what he’s really like, I think.”

    -Well that contradicts your previous theory about thinking you know a celebrity. Or that only applies when it’s about hating him? See the hypocrisy here?

    Philip Seymour Hoffman died of overdose. If I’m remembering right, the only thing Jared said about his death was that it was stupid that he did that to himself. And he was right. It WAS stupid. Using drugs is stupid and it was his choice. A bad and stupid choice. He was just pointing it out what a lot of people think. But aparently he’s the bad guy for condemning drugs? What the Hell? Should we applaud him for what he did to himself?

    Comment by emmanuel — February 16, 2017 @ 1:04 pm

  50. What is this with “Brothers” being “Christian” song? How is religion even relevant here? Did I miss something? Is it typical church song or something? I am really confused here. Seems like being Christian is bad somehow now?

    Back to the show: I have high hopes for this coming episode because it was directed by Richard Speight Jr. I loved his episode about Sally -imaginary friend. I think Richard is very talented.

    Comment by АAA — February 16, 2017 @ 1:24 pm

  51. @Chelsea. Oh, I never intended to make it sound like it wasn’t about anything else. No doubt what you say it’s true too. However, most of the time Jensen talks about the basis of the show, he only talks about Sam and Dean. We have posted tidbits, links to con videos and interviews here along these years about it. We don’t do it so much anymore, maybe we should start doing it again. He’s always said the core of the show is the brotherly love between Sam and Dean. Watch the SPN special program, just to give an example. The thing I love the most about Jensen’s input is that he puts the brothers before everything else. Not saying the rest isn’t important, but the brothers are the core.

    So that’s why I assumed he was only about the brothers, because he’s always said the basis of the show is Sam and Dean’s brotherly bond. He never said the song was for Jared, Misha or anyone else, right?

    Why woud you think Jensen mentioning that a song called “Brother” is appropiate for a show whose lead characters are BROTHERS that have sold their souls for each other (or tried in Sam’s case) is anything else but about the Wichester bros? That’s in tune of what he’s been saying so far.

    Comment by emmanuel — February 16, 2017 @ 1:33 pm

  52. @51 – We’ll have to agree to disagree (at least I think you’re disagreeing with me, but I’m not sure because the double negative in your first sentence is throwing me off. LOL) and I’m not sure what your question about the real life actor has to do with talk about the show. Songs are not necessarily literal, they’re generally more symbolic and I think that’s what this song is and how Jensen sang it. In fact, if you watch Jensen’s performance there’s a line he sings and he points to the audience, (the line is about “your love”) like he and they (the fans, the SPNfamily) do that for each other. about family, both the song and SPN. That includes Sam, but it’s not just Sam; Jensen has talked about Dean considering Cas like a brother, Bobby a father figure, etc. The lyrics apply to all of the above.

    Comment by Chelsea — February 16, 2017 @ 1:59 pm

  53. Only a few hours before the episode! Its time we get a new one since people are bitching about a song one of the actors sing holy shit lol.

    Comment by Robin — February 16, 2017 @ 2:27 pm

  54. @Chelsea. Yeah, sorry for my grammar. My english is bad, I know.

    I’ll try to be clearer. Everytime I’ve heard Jensen talk about the BASIS of the show he’s talked about Sam and Dean only. Of course he’s also talked about Bobby as a father figure and his friendship with Cass. I cannot recall Jensen calling Cass a brother for Dean, but let’s say he did (it’s probable, since Dean did on the show). Of course, Cass is not at the same level of Sam, his real brother, but Dean considers him “family”. Dean considered Kevin and Charlie “sibilings” too. He seems to call that to everyone who sticks around longer than usual.

    Not saying those relationships aren’t important, but Jensen has always pointed out that the core is the relationship between Sam and Dean, no one else. Not only Jensen said that, but Jared, Kripke, Singer, Mark and even Misha (again, watch the SPN special) So that’s why it’s safe to assume that he was talking about Sam and Dean, since he said “basis”. Basis is not the whole thing, which would include other relationships. That was my whole point.

    Saying he was talking about all that you said might be true, but that’s not what he said. He said “show”, not “fandom”. The show is not about the SPNfamily, the fandom is. And the core of the show are the brothers. The song is called “brother”. Put two and two together. Unless he said he was singing about the SPNfamily or something like that, I think you are assuming too much or putting words in his mouth.

    Not that it matters. You could be perfectly right.

    Comment by emmanuel — February 16, 2017 @ 2:37 pm

  55. @Robin, you are right. The voice of reason!

    Comment by emmanuel — February 16, 2017 @ 2:41 pm

  56. @53 – holy shit, who’s “bitching”?

    @54 – We’ll agree to disagree.

    No matter how you interpret the lyrics, literally or figuratively, Jensen’s performance of “Brother” was amazing. So full of intensity and passion. Jensen has a great voice, especially for the more bluesy, southern rock kind of songs.

    I wish Singer and Dabb wouldn’t do interviews or these producer previews, they lack excitement. The best previews are the ones done by the crew.

    Comment by Chelsea — February 16, 2017 @ 2:49 pm

  57. “your the blood of my blood”. The song Brother sung by Jensen. He wasn’t singing about family he was singing about brothers-which is the basis of the show. Which is what he said before he sang the song. Brothers not family. Blood of my blood.

    You have to understand that singers choose songs to sing when they are doing a cover of a song that says something they want said. Why do you think Jensen picked Whipping Post? Its because he feels like a whipping post with the way this fandom attacks him. He chose Brothers to specifically say the show is about those Brothers. I find it interestng he wanted to illiterate that now. Hmmmm.

    Comment by animala — February 16, 2017 @ 4:13 pm

  58. Lyrics to singers -especially one doing a cover is big- the lyrics “blood of my blood” is in Brothers is what Jensen was singing about. The basis of the show. Now some of you can dramatize it and romanticize it all you want but Jensen meant Sam and Dean. He also most likely meant him and Jared.

    Comment by animala — February 16, 2017 @ 4:17 pm

  59. That’s “iterate” not illiterate. oops.

    Comment by animala — February 16, 2017 @ 4:32 pm

  60. @animala, my thoughts exactly.

    Comment by emmanuel — February 17, 2017 @ 7:05 am

  61. @57 animala – “Why do you think Jensen picked Whipping Post? Its because he feels like a whipping post with the way this fandom attacks him.”

    I’m sorry, what? That’s insane.

    Comment by Bree — February 17, 2017 @ 8:03 am

  62. Bree have you seen how this fandom attacked Jensen when he stated destiel doesn’t exist? or just look on this thread and the attack on Jensen because he is Christian (maybe maybe not but it doesn’t matter to the poster he/she is attacking him just in case. Have you watched any cons and see some of the questions posed to Jensen? Or at the photo ops or just fandom in general on Jensens twitter feed, or facebook ect… or on tumblr. Bree really-get out of your hole. Jensen is constantly being disrespected by fandom-destiel, costars ect…. so no not insane. Realistic.

    Comment by animala — February 17, 2017 @ 8:27 pm

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